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evergruven 08-19-2019 04:26 AM

why so many kicks/skids?
 
crazy..
I just got done playing and have never experienced more kicks in such a short period of time
must've been 4-5 in about an hour and a half
only one of them occurred with my using outside english
seemingly only significant change in playing conditions is my tip,
which is now much more hard after shaving it down pretty good
the tip is also made of paper (more on that later).
hard tip? murphy's law? tonight, on "mysteries of pool"...

MattPoland 08-19-2019 04:54 AM

Your balls are getting dirty.


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garczar 08-19-2019 06:00 AM

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Originally Posted by MattPoland (Post 6460209)
Your balls are getting dirty.


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Yep. Clean ones rarely do that.

Patrick Johnson 08-19-2019 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by evergruven (Post 6460195)
hard tip?

Your tip has nothing to do with skids - it's all about the friction between the balls themselves, most likely the cue ball collecting/holding more chalk than usual (some brands do that). Or they're just dirty as others said.

pj
chgo

measureman 08-19-2019 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by MattPoland (Post 6460209)
Your balls are getting dirty.


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Yeah take a shower.

evergruven 08-20-2019 04:24 AM

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Originally Posted by measureman (Post 6460716)
Yeah take a shower.

ball cleaner, ball breaker, what's the difference right:thumbup:

I wonder tho..so the balls I mostly play with are nice aramith balls, only one year old
once in awhile, I clean a bit of black crud off them (from pocket, I guess),
but otherwise they are pretty shiny and sticky
this said, I also play with crappy old bar balls and almost never get skids with those..
even tho they're definitely not clean, those balls seem kind of "dry" compared to the aramiths I play with
does that jive? is it possible that skids can occur more with nicer, newer balls *because*
they're so nice that one little bit of chalk, etc. can cause them to kick?

Tom1234 08-20-2019 05:43 AM

I’ve found that the object ball seems to “skid” more closer to the rails. I’ve seen an object ball almost stop (I could plainly see the number on the ball) before continuing on it’s way. I couldn’t figure out why until I saw an idiot chalk grinder chalk his cue over the f*-$#*g table! OB hits chalk spot, friction takes over, missed shot. Thank you idiot chalk grinder.

Black-Balled 08-20-2019 05:46 AM

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Originally Posted by evergruven (Post 6461046)
ball cleaner, ball breaker, what's the difference right:thumbup:

I wonder tho..so the balls I mostly play with are nice aramith balls, only one year old
once in awhile, I clean a bit of black crud off them (from pocket, I guess),
but otherwise they are pretty shiny and sticky
this said, I also play with crappy old bar balls and almost never get skids with those..
even tho they're definitely not clean, those balls seem kind of "dry" compared to the aramiths I play with
does that jive? is it possible that skids can occur more with nicer, newer balls *because*
they're so nice that one little bit of chalk, etc. can cause them to kick?

I ain't no smart but I think I done found sumpin.

MattPoland 08-20-2019 05:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by evergruven (Post 6461046)
ball cleaner, ball breaker, what's the difference right:thumbup:



I wonder tho..so the balls I mostly play with are nice aramith balls, only one year old

once in awhile, I clean a bit of black crud off them (from pocket, I guess),

but otherwise they are pretty shiny and sticky

this said, I also play with crappy old bar balls and almost never get skids with those..

even tho they're definitely not clean, those balls seem kind of "dry" compared to the aramiths I play with

does that jive? is it possible that skids can occur more with nicer, newer balls *because*

they're so nice that one little bit of chalk, etc. can cause them to kick?


I donít think you want sticky balls. Shiny...sure. Sticky...not so much.


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Patrick Johnson 08-20-2019 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Tom1234 (Post 6461113)
Iíve found that the object ball seems to ďskidĒ more closer to the rails. Iíve seen an object ball almost stop (I could plainly see the number on the ball) before continuing on itís way. I couldnít figure out why until I saw an idiot chalk grinder chalk his cue over the f*-$#*g table! OB hits chalk spot, friction takes over, missed shot. Thank you idiot chalk grinder.

This doesn't make sense to me. Balls don't slow down and then speed back up. And chalk on the ball only causes skids when it's exactly on the contact point between the CB and OB when they collide.

A skid (or "cling") is when the OB is thrown more than normal on a cut shot, going straighter than expected - or, on a straight shot, when the CB jumps up a little on contact with the OB ("climbs" the OB) and both balls go slower than expected afterward. Whatever happens before or after the CB/OB collision is something else.

pj
chgo

8cree 08-20-2019 07:50 AM

I thought a kick was when you went rail first?

But other than that, the answers are all here.

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garczar 08-20-2019 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by 8cree (Post 6461200)
I thought a kick was when you went rail first?

But other than that, the answers are all here.

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The snooker crowd calls a skid a kick.

8cree 08-20-2019 08:55 AM

Ok, reasonable I reckon. So what do they call a kick?

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alstl 08-20-2019 09:37 AM

I would suspect dirty balls.

Bob Jewett 08-20-2019 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by 8cree (Post 6461271)
Ok, reasonable I reckon. So what do they call a kick?
...

The British have a different word for everything. It's like they don't even speak English any more.;) For instance, they can put several bags of groceries into their boots.:eek: I don't think they have any special word for cushion-first shots. Banks they call "doubles". Crazy.

Different words for this single problem of too much friction at the contact point:
skid, cling -- US English
kick -- UK English and the snooker world
bad contact, heavy contact -- carom players speaking English
buttage -- French (boo-tahj)

Here is a video in French talking about "buttages" and demonstrating them:
http://corcelia1.over-blog.com/2016/...u-billard.html


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