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realkingcobra 02-15-2007 12:44 PM

Finished instructions for installing and leveling 3-piece slates
 
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Page 5 better drawing. I don't know how to post this one, so I'll have to post it later.

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HardBall 02-15-2007 01:45 PM

Very nice!

Thank you.

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realkingcobra 02-15-2007 01:53 PM

If anyone would like the full instructions of what I've posted, just email me at realkingcobra@aol.com...I'll email them back to you as an attachment.

Glen

realkingcobra 02-15-2007 03:45 PM

I didn't cover in these installation instructions as the directions for crowned slates or crowned table frames are a little tricky to handle and even harder to explain.

Glen

mechanic/player 02-16-2007 05:45 PM

Great info Glen, what kind of level is that? Do you think a 4 ft is as good as a 6ft?

I've seen soap or wax on slate screws before but have never tried it myself but I will now.Is your soap brand specific? Antibacterial or deoderant?:D

I use those shims also. I like the thinner ones from home depot too because there from Jersey, like me. I think they hold better because you can compress them and they dont slip. I use glue on the shims I use in the centers(C 3/4 -C 6/7) as a backup, I dont want to risk those possibly backing out.

realkingcobra 02-16-2007 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by mechanic/player
Great info Glen, what kind of level is that? Do you think a 4 ft is as good as a 6ft?

I've seen soap or wax on slate screws before but have never tried it myself but I will now.Is your soap brand specific? Antibacterial or deoderant?:D

I use those shims also. I like the thinner ones from home depot too because there from Jersey, like me. I think they hold better because you can compress them and they dont slip. I use glue on the shims I use in the centers(C 3/4 -C 6/7) as a backup, I dont want to risk those possibly backing out.

A 4ft level is short when it comes to checking corner pocket to side pocket if you want, but yes, a 4ft will work. As far as soap goes, I like Irish Spring myself...but, any soap will do when you only get a shower once a month...OH:eek: , you're talking about the soap for the screws...ahh, hmmm...any will do...LOL:D

I pass on the glue...because I break them off when I'm done so no one else can use them after me...is that mean of me?...LMAO:D

Glen

Chris Byrne 02-17-2007 12:44 AM

Thanks for the info. It was a good read. Chris.

Vahmurka 02-19-2007 11:22 AM

Wonderful stuff! Thanks a lot!!!

steev 09-04-2007 06:54 AM

i just got a table, and this is invaluable information. i'm going to start setting up tonight!

-s

Irish634 09-04-2007 01:49 PM

Glen,

If you'd like this document converted to a PDF, please PM me. I can do it when I am home.

Craig

realkingcobra 09-04-2007 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Irish634
Glen,

If you'd like this document converted to a PDF, please PM me. I can do it when I am home.

Craig

I have it in PDF also, so I can send it in either format.

jack146 09-19-2007 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by realkingcobra
A 4ft level is short when it comes to checking corner pocket to side pocket if you want, but yes, a 4ft will work.

Hey Glenn, Jack from Brooklyn. The Diamond table we got is just the best, but I have a question. I know you are talking about leveling a slate in a table being built, but let me ask about our table.

After installing the table, Andy was using a level that was only about a foot long, but he showed us how putting a dollar bill under the level on the table surface caused it to read as not level and then by just sliding the bill out the reading returned to level.

I think he was using a Starrett level, but am not sure; do you know what he was using?

realkingcobra 09-20-2007 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by jack146
Hey Glenn, Jack from Brooklyn. The Diamond table we got is just the best, but I have a question. I know you are talking about leveling a slate in a table being built, but let me ask about our table.

After installing the table, Andy was using a level that was only about a foot long, but he showed us how putting a dollar bill under the level on the table surface caused it to read as not level and then by just sliding the bill out the reading returned to level.

I think he was using a Starrett level, but am not sure; do you know what he was using?

Yes, it was a Starrett level. If you're looking to buy one, the 8 inch is around $115.00. Harbor Freight carries them I believe.

Glen

jack146 09-20-2007 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by realkingcobra
Yes, it was a Starrett level. If you're looking to buy one, the 8 inch is around $115.00. Harbor Freight carries them I believe.

Glen

What would you say to buying a used 18" or a used 199 for about $100?

jack146 09-20-2007 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by realkingcobra
Yes, it was a Starrett level. If you're looking to buy one, the 8 inch is around $115.00. Harbor Freight carries them I believe.

Glen

We are talking in two different strings Glen, so I am going to ask this in both. Are you saying that the 8 inch is better suited for a pool table than any of the longer Starretts?

realkingcobra 09-21-2007 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by jack146
We are talking in two different strings Glen, so I am going to ask this in both. Are you saying that the 8 inch is better suited for a pool table than any of the longer Starretts?

Yes, the longer the level, the more it averages the reading of the slate, meaning the less transparent the highs and lows of the slate, or the hills and valleys if you will. To long, and the level works like a bridge over a swayback slate, or rocks on a high spot.

Glen

almarktool 09-21-2007 10:57 AM

Can some one email me the pdf or worddoc file

Thanks
almarktool@aol.com

memphisbill 10-24-2007 06:33 AM

pdf or worddoc file please
 
would someone also send me this to highpocketsmem@aol.com

realkingcobra 01-10-2008 10:19 PM

Bump for new readers.

Glen

RED LITE 01-11-2008 12:21 AM

Thanks
 
Thanks, Real KC. Into my notebook.

RL

frankwhite 01-11-2008 02:11 AM

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Originally Posted by realkingcobra
Yes, it was a Starrett level. If you're looking to buy one, the 8 inch is around $115.00. Harbor Freight carries them I believe.

Glen

That is correct, just purchased two myself. Harbor Frieght is great!!!! I also purchased two Crown Staple guns @ 19.99 ea. how strong is that......LOL

Frankie

realkingcobra 02-21-2008 12:31 AM

Bump back to the top.

steveharn 02-21-2008 01:26 PM

The Cobra Strikes
 
Glen, I've been thinking this was a DIY, you've blown that out of the water. Can't I just buy a used table and be careful moving it and set it back up without doing all this?

realkingcobra 02-25-2008 05:10 PM

[QUOTE=steveharn]Glen, I've been thinking this was a DIY, you've blown that out of the water. Can't I just buy a used table and be careful moving it and set it back up without doing all this?

If its a 3 piece slate table....nope;)

Glen

WGCP 03-06-2008 12:44 AM

Thanks
 
Great job, thanks

fredd 03-08-2008 03:10 PM

How level is level?
 
Glen,

I just joined this forum and read your tutorial on leveling a 3-piece slate table (thanks for the very informative post). One thing you didn't mention is just how level a table needs to be to play well. I'm using a 15" Starrett (calibrated 0.0005" per foot)on a 4 foot carpenters level to adjust a 15 year old Brunswick Medalist and I'm noticing a 2 - 3 mil (0.002-0.003") variation just by walking from one end of the table to the other. The table is on a 3/4" oak floor with a 7/8" T&G sub-floor so I would expect that much flexure (I'm not exactly a light weight d8o). If the table is generally level within 0.005" will it play well without a significant roll-off? I seem to recall Brunswick advertising that their slate is machined flat to within a 0.010" tolerance. Is that the range, say +/- 0.005", I should be striving for?

realkingcobra 03-08-2008 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by fredd
Glen,

I just joined this forum and read your tutorial on leveling a 3-piece slate table (thanks for the very informative post). One thing you didn't mention is just how level a table needs to be to play well. I'm using a 15" Starrett (calibrated 0.0005" per foot)on a 4 foot carpenters level to adjust a 15 year old Brunswick Medalist and I'm noticing a 2 - 3 mil (0.002-0.003") variation just by walking from one end of the table to the other. The table is on a 3/4" oak floor with a 7/8" T&G sub-floor so I would expect that much flexure (I'm not exactly a light weight d8o). If the table is generally level within 0.005" will it play well without a significant roll-off? I seem to recall Brunswick advertising that their slate is machined flat to within a 0.010" tolerance. Is that the range, say +/- 0.005", I should be striving for?

If the table is within 0.005" that's well within my spec's:)

Glen

mb-1953 03-13-2008 04:21 PM

thank you glen

realkingcobra 03-27-2008 07:31 PM

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thank you glen

You're welcome:D

realkingcobra 06-01-2008 01:16 PM

Bump back to the top:D

Glen

realkingcobra 07-31-2008 10:07 AM

Bump for newcomers.


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