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Rickw 04-20-2003 04:46 PM

I was playing this guy the other night. He's an average B player, i.e., he can run 4 or 5 balls if they're open and occasionally runs a rack of 9 ball. I guess I'd rate myself a medium to low A player, I can win a match in a race to 5 in 5 innings, sometimes less sometimes more.

Anyway, I'm playing this guy and he's getting rolls, I mean he's really getting rolls!! I figured at first it was no big deal but we played for about 2 hours and he continued to get these rolls for the entire 2 hours! All I could do was laugh! I mean it was unbelievable! I didn't lose my cool although inside I was a basket case! We all get rolls from time to time, but usually, after a while, they subside. I didn't think the balls could continue to roll that way for that long! I kept trying to put a positive spin on it like, this is good for me to practice my kicks but it was getting more and more difficult.

Does anyone have some good advice on how to keep your composure when this happens?

1-P 04-20-2003 06:01 PM

I would suggest that what really happened is that you underestimated your opponent.

Rickw 04-20-2003 06:53 PM

That thought ran through my mind. But, I know him and have played him many times before. Also, he wasn't playing safe or puposely playing a hook. Can you tell the difference? I think I can. But, for the sake of argument, the scenario I described in my post is incosequential. What's important is figuring out a way to handle rolls in general. Whether this guy was just setting his bait or someone else down the road is getting the same type of rolls, my question is how do you handle these situations psychologically. It's easy to say things like, "It's just the shot you have and deal with it." It's much tougher to deal with this situation and keep your cool. I have seen people do it and I admire that ability.

I guess that's what's great about this game, it's always giving you opportunities to work on something whether it's the skills of the game or just how to deal with different aspects of the game.

Cardinal_Syn 04-20-2003 07:06 PM

i just laugh at the moment sometimes even laugh at the person(only to friends)....but sometimes i do get pissed....were only humans.

jjinfla 04-20-2003 07:28 PM

Just consider it one of those nights. Go home and see if you did something to P/O the pool god (like mistreat your dog) and pray it doesn't happen again. The same thing happened to me saturday afternoon. Everytime this guy missed I was hooked. After a while it became comical. To top it off he makes an 8 ball and the CB was heading to the side rail where it would bounce off and end up on the short rail for a very tough shot on the 9 at the other end of the table. So what happened was the CB hit the point of the side pocket and bounces straight back to give him perfect position on the 9. And no, he was not intentionally playing the safes. Very frustrating. I wouldn't mind it so much if it was someone actually playing the safes but this was ridiculous. And of course there were a few one rail banks that became two rail banks. Jake

cardiac kid 04-20-2003 08:51 PM

Hi Rickw,

We have a guy here in Rochester who is the "luckiest" person I've ever seen. Each trip to the table is usually accompanied by "Where's the nine ball?" Personally, I refuse to play him. I know I would crush him but, I've watched him blast at too many multi-ball combos on the nine and have them go in a pocket other than the one he is "aiming" at! The laugh, facial expressions and general demeaner are more than I care to tolerate for any lenghth of time. Did I mention the interesting position (or lack there of) he plays?

Rolls are part of the game. They will always happen whether or not you sacrifice a virgin to the pool god. Last month I lost 9 - 8 on the money line after scratching three consecutive racks on the break, in three different pockets. On my next break, I intentionally safety broke. The cue ball stopped in the center of the table and was promptly kicked into a side pocket by a ball rolling past. How is four break scratches in a row for bad rolls?

Rickw 04-20-2003 08:53 PM

I did laugh on the outside but I was churning up on the inside! You hit it right on the head Jake. I've been playing for a long time now and we've all seen people get good rolls. Usually, though, those rolls will subside after a while or they might start rolling for you. I just can't remember a time when I saw someone consistenly getting the rolls this guy was getting for as long as he was getting them! A couple of days later, he was playing another B player and he wasn't getting any rolls at all. And, he wasn't playing good to boot. I really must have stepped in something bad that night.

I had a great match last Friday. The other guy was getting some rolls but I just kept my calm and played through it and won the match 9 to 4. I must be in good grace with the pool gods now! It really sucks to be in their disfavor.

Thanks for the advice and commiseration!

Rickw 04-20-2003 09:10 PM

I'm real sorry to hear that, Cardiac. That sounds like a real nightmare!! Sometimes it just doesn't pay to get out of bed in the morning!! Anyone who has played this game for a while can relate to our stories. We have a guy where I live that sounds like the twin brother of the guy you're talking about! When the guy I know slops the 9, he'll laugh out loud and say loud enough for the people driving by on the street, "Gee, I'm so lucky!" He says it in a shrill voice that just grates on you worse than hearing someone scratching a chalkboard! I played this guy one time for $200 in a race to 11 and he beat me like 11 to 5 or something. It was a long time ago and everyone that watched kept shaking their heads in amazement. The guy flew at the 9 every chance he got and if he didn't make it, he wound up hooking me. There was absolutely no skill involved in this just in case you're wondering I-P because this guy was flying at the 9, okay. He was just getting the rolls. I ran the first rack and he ran the second, the difference between us is that I knew what pocket every ball was going into before it went in and he didn't. That's scary!

stick8 04-21-2003 12:30 AM

Skill will prevel over luck always dont let it get to you, just take your licking an keep on ticking!!!!!! STICK

Bluewolf 04-21-2003 04:49 AM

Gee. I never think of that. Perhaps it is a factor mostly in those with higher skill.

I lost to a guy thursday night. My somewhat experienced hubbie said that I played well and that I did not get the rolls.

I guess to me, if a safe did not quite work out, then my finess was off. Or if I missed a shot, or messed up on position, then that is something I need work on.

I guess I think that if I am beaten, then the other player played better that night or vice versa. No biggie. I can beat him next time. It was just a game and another experience.

Rolls? perhaps this is in the annals of expereinced players. I will say though that when I have beaten 'better' players, it was because I was able to gage their weaknesses, cause them to rattle with smart play etc.

I guess I just do not notice rolls but I play 8 ball. Maybe 9 ball is different.


Rickw 04-21-2003 01:47 PM


When a player shoots to make a shot and accidently misses the shot leaving the other player without a makeable, this is considered a roll. Conversely, when a player purposely misses a shot in order to hook his/her opponent, this is a good defensive shot. There ae hustlers out there that can make a hook look like a roll. Some people can tell the difference depending on the skill of the hustler and the experience and astuteness of their opponent. One of the earlier posts by 1-P suggested that the guy I was playing knew what he was doing. I might not have disagreed with him if I didn't know the player. Does this make sense to you?

Bluewolf 04-22-2003 07:42 AM

Yes. Maybe I just do not notice and but now that you mention it, slop does go in from time to time.


Pop And Slop 04-22-2003 03:18 PM

That's why my nick is Pop and Slop. My friends used to think I was so lucky.


weelie 04-23-2003 12:37 AM

I have made the decision long time ago: there are no good rolls or bad rolls. When I play badly, I lose.. and I have to do something to improve. Rolls have nothing to do with it.

I have never lost because of luck. That's just how I see it. 100%.

Big Dave 04-23-2003 06:19 AM

You've only got yourself to blame for your opponent "getting the rolls", it was you that let him get to the table so much of the time! Next time, play better and keep him off the table a bit more!

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