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ThinSlice 08-03-2020 12:08 PM

Kim Davenport vs Jimmy Mataya
 
Just watched this video. Great match! Interesting to see the shooting style difference from back then and todayís players. Didnít. Realize that Jimmy shot so well. I was actually impressed with his play and stroke. Both players missed some balls but never the less great playing and fun match to watch. Terrible quality but I guess beggars canít be choosers.


https://youtu.be/u6ZlBY76kU8




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PoolBum 08-03-2020 12:48 PM

A very entertaining match.

MitchAlsup 08-03-2020 12:56 PM

Different rules back then.....

ThinSlice 08-03-2020 12:59 PM

Explain


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ThinSlice 08-03-2020 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by MitchAlsup (Post 6714631)
Different rules back then.....



Only difference I noticed was when balls are pocketed on the break and you scratch the balls are spotted and you shoot from behind head string. I actually like that rule.


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surffisher2a 08-03-2020 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by ThinSlice (Post 6714648)
Only difference I noticed was when balls are pocketed on the break and you scratch the balls are spotted and you shoot from behind head string. I actually like that rule.


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Yes, I had to rewind that 2nd break like 3 times to figure out what was going on there.

BasementDweller 08-03-2020 04:08 PM

That table played pretty slow. Looked like an early Diamond table. 9 ball player on tables like that with a wooden rack is a different game. Much harder if you ask me.

Cornerman 08-03-2020 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by ThinSlice (Post 6714648)
Only difference I noticed was when balls are pocketed on the break and you scratch the balls are spotted and you shoot from behind head string. I actually like that rule.


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There was a stretch where the balls sunk on the break were spotted on a scratch, and the incoming player got ball in hand. Too many early 9-ball combos.

If you think 9-ball had a lot of rules changes, 10-ball today is totally unrecognizable.

Cornerman 08-03-2020 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by BasementDweller (Post 6714749)
That table played pretty slow. Looked like an early Diamond table. 9 ball player on tables like that with a wooden rack is a different game. Much harder if you ask me.

Players who got into the game this century have no idea how much more difficult supper equipment is to play on.

Z-Nole 08-03-2020 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by surffisher2a (Post 6714657)
Yes, I had to rewind that 2nd break like 3 times to figure out what was going on there.

Buckle up dude. There will be plenty of surf up your way but the catching might be a little tough. Good luck to you.

Cornerman 08-03-2020 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by ThinSlice (Post 6714605)
Just watched this video. Great match! Interesting to see the shooting style difference from back then and today’s players. Didn’t. Realize that Jimmy shot so well. I was actually impressed with his play and stroke. Both players missed some balls but never the less great playing and fun match to watch. Terrible quality but I guess beggars can’t be choosers.


https://youtu.be/u6ZlBY76kU8




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Mataya is still considered one of the best all around players of all time, winning all-around titles in the early 70’s, and the World 8-ball championship in the mid-70’s. Even though he was well past his peak, he won the McDermott Masters in the late 80’s when Strickland, Varner, Hall, and Efren were in their primes. (Or was that 2nd in the early 90’s?)

He’s one of the reasons I play this game, and I think he should be in the Hall of Fame.

ThinSlice 08-03-2020 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Cornerman (Post 6714798)
Mataya is still considered one of the best all around players of all time, winning all-around titles in the early 70ís, and the World 8-ball championship in the mid-70ís. Even though he was well past his peak, he won the McDermott Masters in the late 80ís when Strickland, Varner, Hall, and Efren were in their primes.



Heís one of the reasons I play this game, and I think he should be in the Hall of Fame.



Never really paid much attention to his game. I heard the gambling stories. But, that doesnít always mean a strong player. I like his game even if he does go for the cheese every chance he gets.


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Scott Lee 08-03-2020 06:52 PM

Interesting seeing Mataya playing with a perfect pendulum stroke throughout that match...he moved the CB quite easily with little effort! Fun to watch!

Scott Lee
2019 PBIA Instructor of the Year
Director, SPF National Pool School Tour

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cornerman (Post 6714798)
Mataya is still considered one of the best all around players of all time, winning all-around titles in the early 70ís, and the World 8-ball championship in the mid-70ís. Even though he was well past his peak, he won the McDermott Masters in the late 80ís when Strickland, Varner, Hall, and Efren were in their primes. (Or was that 2nd in the early 90ís?)

Heís one of the reasons I play this game, and I think he should be in the Hall of Fame.


surffisher2a 08-04-2020 05:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Z-Nole (Post 6714794)
Buckle up dude. There will be plenty of surf up your way but the catching might be a little tough. Good luck to you.

Thanks, everything good here. A lot of people without power, but fortunately I am not one of them this time.

PS -- I saw someone say that table was playing slow, I thought just the opposite, At least the early matches its looks fairly lively.

BasementDweller 08-04-2020 12:03 PM

I've never heard someone who's judgement I respected ever mention Mataya as among the greatest all-around players. Until today.

I still don't think that's accurate. Actually not even close but it's an interesting take.


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