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n9neballking 03-23-2018 04:45 PM

Is this a double hit?
 
I was trying to find somewhere that current or former refs could weigh in on it but this was all that came to mind lol.

The video is taken from a bad angle and poor quality to make it a 100% accurate call but i say foul.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQAnfibaMr0

Hits 'em Hard 03-25-2018 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by n9neballking (Post 6118166)
I was trying to find somewhere that current or former refs could weigh in on it but this was all that came to mind lol.

The video is taken from a bad angle and poor quality to make it a 100% accurate call but i say foul.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQAnfibaMr0

Video is very poor quality. Many frames missing from playback. Based on what I saw, no foul.

hang-the-9 03-26-2018 06:14 AM

Looks good to me also, the cue tip was pulled back before a second hit, that hesitation that may look like a double hit looks to be the cueball jumping up a bit before the follow takes. On a double hit the cueball would go faster forward and not have that pause where the spin takes grab of the cloth. Also in most double hit fouls with follow, the ceuball will be traveling at the same speed or faster than the object ball, and the object ball clearly leaves the frame well before the cueball.

Here is how you can tell in the video. look at the gap between the two balls, place your mouse on the edge of the cueball, then move it forward to just about the length of the gap. Keep it there and play the video. If the tip does not go past the cursor, it is a good hit. I'll tell you now that I did that, and it was a good hit.

MattPoland 03-26-2018 06:28 AM

Good hit. The cue ball action and speed was natural for the shot. If the cue ball ran forward abnormally fast it is a double hit. If it dribbles forward after a delay like a normal top English shot, itís good.

Hits 'em Hard 03-26-2018 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by MattPoland (Post 6119794)
Good hit. The cue ball action and speed was natural for the shot. If the cue ball ran forward abnormally fast it is a double hit. If it dribbles forward after a delay like a normal top English shot, itís good.

Not true at all. While most double hits will cause the cue ball to pick up speed, I can know that itís possible to double hit without really gaining speed.

MattPoland 03-26-2018 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Hits 'em Hard (Post 6119824)
Not true at all. While most double hits will cause the cue ball to pick up speed, I can know that itís possible to double hit without really gaining speed.


I come here to learn and engage. Do you mind elaborating?

I suspect there are times where everything reacts naturally and only a super slow motion camera could detect a double hit. In those scenarios I 100% accept a spotter/ref calling that a good hit.

Nostroke 05-22-2018 11:21 AM

good hit-would never be thought twice about in straight pool.

kmorgan 09-30-2018 07:37 AM

Good hit. Cue ball bounced back before rolling forward. A double hit would have contacted the cue ball on it's bounce and sent it forward immediately.

Sunchaser 09-30-2018 08:15 AM

Watched it several times. Good hit. Mike Massey does a side arm wrist stroke when balls are way closer than that by the way.

greyghost 12-09-2018 10:52 PM

Is this a double hit?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sunchaser (Post 6235437)
Watched it several times. Good hit. Mike Massey does a side arm wrist stroke when balls are way closer than that by the way.



Thatís called a fouettť shot and many foul shooting it by cb hitting the ferrule.....doesnít need any kind of side arm action technically speaking, very hard to do with a spiney/ stiff shaft

Best technique for executing close quarter shots is called a short finish......bar none and itís very easy to accomplish

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