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HawaiianEye 08-15-2019 10:24 PM

64 Percent of Voters Unwilling to Pay More Taxes for Medicare for All
 
Poll time.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...public-option/

336Robin 08-16-2019 03:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HawaiianEye (Post 6458151)

That's interesting. I wonder how many of them are paying for their own
insurance? Most of them probably have it through their employer who would gladly like
to stop paying for it. Shouldn't the burden of insurance be on the Insured?

I'll never forget one poster here who argued with me saying I pay for my own! When in
fact his employer paid the most of it. When your employer pays for it then the goods
and services they sell cost more to compensate for it. Isn't that a form of socialism? lol

We are being made to pay for your benefits? Why not have the Insured pay?

Perhaps people want the freedom to stick someone else with the bill!

Trump does that a lot. He still owes a bunch of cities up into the millions for his political rallies.

Yeah we need the right to screw people over and make them pay for our stuff, so we don't have to.

Alan 08-16-2019 03:30 AM

By your theory of "socialism" and the employer/employee relationship, my employer pays for my coffee at home along with my dog's food. My employer pays for my car registration and insurance along with my toothpaste. Your theory also includes the idea that if you buy any of the products my employer puts in the marketplace, then you pay for my toilet paper. Thank you.


The reason the employer pays for that guys health insurance is that it is part of his compensation. It's not charity. The guy works there for the cash and benefits. One such benefit is health insurance. Employers frequently pay for insurance for a group of employee because its more cost effective. Another advantage for the employer is that he/she/it controls that benefit and it's an incentive for the employee not to leave.


Quote:

Originally Posted by 336Robin (Post 6458179)
That's interesting. I wonder how many of them are paying for their own
insurance? Most of them probably have it through their employer who would gladly like
to stop paying for it. Shouldn't the burden of insurance be on the Insured?

I'll never forget one poster here who argued with me saying I pay for my own! When in
fact his employer paid the most of it. When your employer pays for it then the goods
and services they sell cost more to compensate for it. Isn't that a form of socialism? lol

We are being made to pay for your benefits? Why not have the Insured pay?

Perhaps people want the freedom to stick someone else with the bill!

Trump does that a lot. He still owes a bunch of cities up into the millions for his political rallies.

Yeah we need the right to screw people over and make them pay for our stuff, so we don't have to.


mr5994 08-16-2019 04:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 336Robin (Post 6458179)

I'll never forget one poster here who argued with me saying I pay for my own! When in
fact his employer paid the most of it. When your employer pays for it then the goods
and services they sell cost more to compensate for it. Isn't that a form of socialism? lol

So an employer compensates an employee for work that he performs by paying for his health insurance......and you consider that socialism? What color is the sky in your world?

Chopdoc 08-16-2019 04:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Alan (Post 6458183)


The reason the employer pays for that guys health insurance is that it is part of his compensation. It's not charity.

It is part of the compensation. It is earned.

But the reason they do it is most often because they are compelled to by law.

LWW 08-16-2019 05:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 336Robin (Post 6458179)
That's interesting. I wonder how many of them are paying for their own
insurance? Most of them probably have it through their employer who would gladly like
to stop paying for it. Shouldn't the burden of insurance be on the Insured?

I'll never forget one poster here who argued with me saying I pay for my own! When in
fact his employer paid the most of it. When your employer pays for it then the goods
and services they sell cost more to compensate for it. Isn't that a form of socialism? lol It's part of the employee compensation. It's free markets at work. Do you even know what socialism means?

We are being made to pay for your benefits? Why not have the Insured pay?

Perhaps people want the freedom to stick someone else with the bill! That's what socialized medicine does.

Trump does that a lot. He still owes a bunch of cities up into the millions for his political rallies.

Yeah we need the right to screw people over and make them pay for our stuff, so we don't have to.
[That's what you have advocated as long as I've known you.

That is so backwards.

ChicagoRJ 08-16-2019 06:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 336Robin (Post 6458179)
That's interesting. I wonder how many of them are paying for their own
insurance? Most of them probably have it through their employer who would gladly like
to stop paying for it. Shouldn't the burden of insurance be on the Insured?

I'll never forget one poster here who argued with me saying I pay for my own! When in
fact his employer paid the most of it. When your employer pays for it then the goods
and services they sell cost more to compensate for it. Isn't that a form of socialism? lol

We are being made to pay for your benefits? Why not have the Insured pay?

Perhaps people want the freedom to stick someone else with the bill!

Trump does that a lot. He still owes a bunch of cities up into the millions for his political rallies.

Yeah we need the right to screw people over and make them pay for our stuff, so we don't have to.

This just shows how na´ve you really are. It's almost embarrassing. My employer pays half the premium because they chose to. They don't have to. But, in order to retain the best employees, they give this benefit out. So, in essence, I've earned it by being qualified enough the company wanted to hire me.

So, i'm paying for it. It's part of my overall package that I accepted to work for them. If they didn't offer a package, pay, benefits, and vacation time, I would not have accepted. If they didn't offer insurance they'd have to pay me a lot more money.

So, stick to your Obama care, remember, if you like your doctor you can keep your doctor. :rotflmao1::rotflmao1::rotflmao1:

Obama had 8 years, and all they came up with was ACA. Enough said. You had your chance, and dems blew their health insurance wad all over your face and not only did you like it, you want more. Interesting.

BryanBpool 08-16-2019 06:45 AM

Well duh. Those of us who actually pay taxes, would be paying much, much, much, much more.

BryanBpool 08-16-2019 06:59 AM

It would only take a tax increase of 3-4 percentage points to exceed my total annual OOP healthcare expensese, including what my employer chips in on my premiums. God knows it will be more than 4 points.

Take the UK's NHS for example.

https://www.gov.uk/national-insurance-rates-letters

Employees pay 12% on the first 60k(usd) and 2% on the rest.
Employers pay 13.8% on every dollar.

Using those rates, the total expense for me and my employer for premiums alone, would exceed my total annual average OOP costs for healthcare by 445%.

My employer sure as hell isnt going to eat that 13.8% either. I'd see a pay cut, guaranteed.

So yeah, no. I can do 7th grade math, so I know when I am being @#$%ed.

BryanBpool 08-16-2019 07:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 336Robin (Post 6458179)
That's interesting. I wonder how many of them are paying for their own
insurance? Most of them probably have it through their employer who would gladly like
to stop paying for it. Shouldn't the burden of insurance be on the Insured?

I'll never forget one poster here who argued with me saying I pay for my own! When in
fact his employer paid the most of it. When your employer pays for it then the goods
and services they sell cost more to compensate for it. Isn't that a form of socialism? lol

We are being made to pay for your benefits? Why not have the Insured pay?

Perhaps people want the freedom to stick someone else with the bill!

Trump does that a lot. He still owes a bunch of cities up into the millions for his political rallies.

Yeah we need the right to screw people over and make them pay for our stuff, so we don't have to.

Are you high?

Alan 08-16-2019 07:08 AM

No, he is not.


Quote:

Originally Posted by BryanBpool (Post 6458318)
Are you high?


BJTyler 08-16-2019 07:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chopdoc (Post 6458198)
It is part of the compensation. It is earned.

But the reason they do it is most often because they are compelled to by law.

Employer based health insurance has been the standard long before the ACA.

Kid Dynomite 08-16-2019 07:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HawaiianEye (Post 6458151)

Who says that they have to?

Just like who says every illegal immigrant is to be deported?

Tax illegal immigrants a much higher rate than legal immigrants and citizens as a penalty for violation of the law! That surplus would more than cover Medicare for all....

But, republicans are against anything other than deportation. Can't have them here tipping the scales in a liberal direction. People may have to work and compete for a living....

Kd

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Alan 08-16-2019 07:27 AM

Your solution to fight crime is to tax it? Being in this country illegally is illegal, which is the opposite of legal. If people are willing to be here illegally, do you think they'd be willing to obey the law and pay their "fair share" of taxes? Should we just tax shoplifters at a higher rate but don't prosecute them?

Don't get me wrong, I think it's an interesting idea, I just need some more details to fully understand it.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Kid Dynomite (Post 6458332)
Who says that they have to?

Just like who says every illegal immigrant is to be deported?

Tax illegal immigrants a much higher rate than legal immigrants and citizens as a penalty for violation of the law! That surplus would more than cover Medicare for all....

But, republicans are against anything other than deportation. Can't have them here tipping the scales in a liberal direction. People may have to work and compete for a living....

Kd

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BJTyler 08-16-2019 07:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 336Robin (Post 6458179)
That's interesting. I wonder how many of them are paying for their own
insurance? Most of them probably have it through their employer who would gladly like
to stop paying for it. Shouldn't the burden of insurance be on the Insured?

I'll never forget one poster here who argued with me saying I pay for my own! When in
fact his employer paid the most of it. When your employer pays for it then the goods
and services they sell cost more to compensate for it. Isn't that a form of socialism? lol

We are being made to pay for your benefits? Why not have the Insured pay?

Perhaps people want the freedom to stick someone else with the bill!

Trump does that a lot. He still owes a bunch of cities up into the millions for his political rallies.

Yeah we need the right to screw people over and make them pay for our stuff, so we don't have to.

Your post reflects poorly on the general intelligence of pool players.


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