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That's the attitude I teach my students: to know what's the proper thing to do, as well as to promote sportsmanlike behaviour whenever and wherever one can, but to expect others to have the same innate ethical/moral compass is too much to ask (= only need to follow this thread), even if one...

Fact is, and remains, rules are meant to be read according to the corpus. I already explained what this means. You already decided to ignore it. What more is there to say other than: you are calling me a cry-baby? LOL! You're too cute to be true, you know. Makes me wonder: have you noticed...

The rule isn't even vague in this respect: of course the shooter may call a foul on himself. That's the point. The other aspect is that rules should be read in accordance with the corpus. Does everyone think they fulfill the minimum requirement of contacting an object ball with the cue ball...

Dave Barenbrugge is currently moving shop, but should be back in business soon. Greetings from Switzerland, David. _________________ „J'ai gâché vingt ans de mes plus belles années au billard. Si c'était à refaire, je recommencerais.“ – Roger Conti

But this isn't about "rules". Sure the rule makes it possible to you to conceal the fact you're rolling the cue ball up to a ball, although the rule clearly allows you to be honest, for example because you have an innate sense of sportsmanship. But do you consider that a pool shot, knowingly...

In contrast to Snooker, pool is a game in which the requirement for a shot to be legal is to make the cue ball contact and object ball, and either pocket an object ball or drive any ball to a rail. Every pool player knows this is what makes a pool shot a pool shot in contrast to some other game...

Guys, whoever came up with the idea that someone/anyone contributing to this thread doesn't like the rule(s)? The rules are not the problem, people are. It's not like the rules forced anyone to use them in unsportsmanlike manner. That is a deliberate choice the player makes. This thread is...

Tap, tap, tap!! :grin: (Letter of the rule: a ball that's called frozen is a frozen ball. Spirit of the rule: a ball that is frozen is called a frozen ball.) Greetings from Switzerland, David. _________________ „J'ai gâché vingt ans de mes plus belles années au billard. Si c'était à refaire...

Dave Barenbrugge - almost every new pic of a cue I see from him on AZB makes me wish I owned it. Greetings from Switzerland, David. _________________ „J'ai gâché vingt ans de mes plus belles années au billard. Si c'était à refaire, je recommencerais.“ – Roger Conti

That is precisely the point. The rule is the rule. But at some point one will have to answer the question, be that to oneself, the opponent that trusts one is/were going to do the proper thing, the area referee that may have been called to late, and then, one will have to answer truthfully or...

She's just a little pregnant… :rolleyes: Greetings from Switzerland, David. _________________ „J'ai gâché vingt ans de mes plus belles années au billard. Si c'était à refaire, je recommencerais.“ – Roger Conti

Whether or not it is a shady move, at least from the perspective of e.g. Snooker or European players, depends on his reply to your question if he thought the ball frozen when he rolled the cue ball up to it. One will learn all one needs to know about a guy's cold-bloodedness and contempt for his...

Variations on a Theme… Because of you, and because there are people out there who like me love pool and the people who play it, and who don't think the rules are meant to be used to take advantage of others? (Which "party", let alone "any", does this make me "inequitable to" exactly? That is...

You're doing this on purpose, right? If it's been called frozen (by either player or the referee), rolling up to it without another object ball or the cue ball touching a rail, it's a foul no matter what, and if one insisted it were not, in the presence of a ref, one would get a penalty for...

That's what this discussion is about, and you're adding to it, and you're right, except that this is as good a place to discuss this as any. The potential loopholes you're alluding to, does everyone know them, and if not, does one need to learn them the hard way, that is, by falling prey to...

You're continuing to insult me to no avail, sir. I have no intention of descending to your standards. But you finally got one aspect right: an ethical and moral person will always offer water to the thirsty, same as do the right thing in all ways of life, such as a little, seemingly negligible...

You're still in denial: "To stick to the letter of the law but forget the spirit of it" - that is hypocrisy. To think that the purpose of the corpus juris, or a set of billiards rules, is meant to be dissected looking for loopholes to justify not one's ignorance of what they're meant to convey...

Now since you are trying to outsmart everyone, try this: explain how my interpretation of the rule (calling the ball frozen oneself in the absence of a referee, because one knows it's the proper thing to do) could at all be "turned to one's own selfish benefit". Hyper-curious to hear that one...

Dude, you're calling me hostile? :grin-square: Of course, what the rules cannot fully contain is the fact that what they're mere guidelines to sportsmanlike behaviour. There are people who take pride in finding loopholes, but because they do, they are the ones who are most aware of what is...

Dude, you know exactly what I was trying to get at there. I could spell it out for you, but that you're trying to insult my intelligence and integrity doesn't mean I need to insult yours now, too, don't I? The point was, and always has been, what said person is doing to him- or herself! That's...