Stats -- Accu-Stats 2017 "Make-It-Happen" One-Pocket Invitational, June 2017

AtLarge · Jun 11, 2017

Stats -- Accu-Stats 2017 "Make-It-Happen" One-Pocket Invitational, June 2017

Here are some statistics from the Accu-Stats "Make-It-Happen" One-Pocket Invitational event played June 8-11, 2017 at Sandcastle Billiards in Edison, NJ, with pay-per-view streaming by Accu-Stats.

This was a 6-player event, with 15 round-robin matches (all races to 4) followed by a playoff match between the 2 players with the best records. The first tie-breaker for getting into the finals for players with the same records in matches was the number of games won. The 6 players were Francisco Bustamante, Alex Pagulayan, Efren Reyes, Josh Roberts, Billy Thorpe, and Shane Van Boening.

■ Conditions -- The conditions for this event included:

- Diamond 9-foot table with pro-cut pockets and blue Simonis 860 cloth;

- Aramith TV Tournament balls with a measles cue ball;

- Diamond wooden triangle rack;

- rack your own with alternating breaks;

- re-break if a ball is made on the break (happened 7 times, 5 of which were by Reyes, including twice in one game);

- 60-second shot clock (90 seconds after the break) with one automatic 60-second extension per player per rack (no clock violations occurred);

- cue ball fouls only (unless multiple balls are moved);

- 3 fouls in a row is loss of game (did not happen); and

- lag for opening break.

■ Match results -- The 16 matches were as follows (shown in the order in which they were played):

Thurs., June 8 -- Pagulayan defeated Roberts 4-0, Van Boening d. Thorpe 4-1, Reyes d. Bustamante 4-1, and Van Boening d. Pagulayan 4-2.

Fri., June 9 -- Bustamante d. Thorpe 4-1, Roberts d. Reyes 4-1, Van Boening d. Bustamante 4-1, and Pagulayan d. Thorpe 4-3.

Sat., June 10 -- Roberts d. Van Boening 4-0, Reyes d. Thorpe 4-3, Bustamante d. Roberts 4-1, and Reyes d. Pagulayan 4-3.

Sun., June 11 -- Thorpe d. Roberts 4-3, Bustamante d. Pagulayan 4-2, Van Boening d. Reyes 4-2, and Van Boening d. Reyes 4-2 (playoff finals).

■ Records in round-robin play (5 matches per player).

Van Boening -- 4-1 in matches, 16-10 in games, 154-115 in ball count

Reyes -- 3-2, 15-15, 162-176

Bustamante -- 3-2, 14-12, 150-122

Pagulayan -- 2-3, 15-15, 142-154

Roberts -- 2-3, 12-13, 132-133

Thorpe -- 1-4, 12-19, 139-17

■ Games won by breaker in round-robin play

Van Boening -- 10 of 13 (77%)

Reyes -- 10 of 16 (63%)

Bustamante -- 10 of 15 (67%)

Pagulayan -- 10 of 15 (67%)

Roberts -- 6 of 11 (55%)

Thorpe -- 8 of 14 (57%)
Total -- 54 of 84 (64%)

■ Playoff match -- won by Van Boening 4-2 over Reyes, with the total ball count in Van Boening's favor 37-22. Reyes won the lag; Van Boening won on 3 of 3 breaks, Reyes won on 2 of 3 breaks.

■ Matches won by winner of lag -- 8 of 16 (50%)

■ High run-outs (In round-robin play)

10-and-out by Pagulayan (1)

9-and-outs by Van Boening (1) and Pagulayan (1)

8-and-outs by Van Boening (6), Pagulayan (4), Thorpe (3), Bustmante (2), Roberts (1), and Reyes (1).
In addition, Van Boening had one 9-and-out in the finals.

■ Match lengths

Longest in total length (164 min.) -- Reyes d. Thorpe 4-3

Highest in average minutes per game (25) -- Van Boening d. Bustamante 4-1

Shortest in total length (42 min.) and lowest in average minutes per game (8) -- Van Boening d. Thorpe 4-1

Average match length -- 99 min.

Average minutes per game -- 18

■ Average match score -- 4 - 1.6

■ Breaking from right vs. left side of table

Breaks from breaker's right side of table -- 56 of 90 (62%)

Games won by breaker when breaking from his left side of table -- 20 of 34 ( 59%)

Games won by breaker when breaking from his right side of table -- 39 of 56 (70%)

■ Distribution of run-outs to win the 90 games:

1 ball -- 31 (34%)

2 balls -- 6

3 balls -- 7

4 balls -- 11

5 balls -- 4

6 balls -- 4

7 balls -- 6

8 balls -- 17 (23% for 8-10)

9 balls -- 3

10 balls -- 1

AtLarge · Jun 11, 2017

Ball counts by length of run for each player -- 2017 Accu-Stats "Make-It-Happen" One-Pocket Invitational

The total ball count for each player in his 5 round-robin matches resulted from the following runs and fouls.

Van Boening

1 ball -- 15 times

2 balls -- 3

3 balls -- 3

4 balls -- 3

5 balls -- 3

6 balls -- 3

7 balls -- 3

8 balls -- 6

9 balls -- 1

10 balls -- 0

Plus balls pocketed by opponents -- 8

Minus fouls -- 7

TOTAL Ball Count -- 154

Reyes

1 ball -- 27 times

2 balls -- 15

3 balls -- 5

4 balls -- 7

5 balls -- 3

6 balls -- 3

7 balls -- 2

8 balls -- 2

9 balls -- 0

10 balls -- 0

Plus balls pocketed by opponents -- 17

Minus fouls -- 18TOTAL Ball Count -- 162

Bustamante

1 ball -- 19 times

2 balls -- 4

3 balls -- 11

4 balls -- 6

5 balls -- 3

6 balls -- 3

7 balls -- 2

8 balls -- 2

9 balls -- 0

10 balls -- 0

Plus balls pocketed by opponents -- 10

Minus fouls -- 7

TOTAL Ball Count -- 150

Pagulayan

1 ball -- 21 times

2 balls -- 9

3 balls -- 1

4 balls -- 4

5 balls -- 3

6 balls -- 2

7 balls -- 1

8 balls -- 4

9 balls -- 1

10 balls -- 1

Plus balls pocketed by opponents -- 17

Minus fouls -- 18

TOTAL Ball Count -- 142

Roberts

1 ball -- 26 times

2 balls --11

3 balls -- 2

4 balls -- 4

5 balls -- 3

6 balls -- 2

7 balls -- 4

8 balls -- 1

9 balls -- 0

10 balls -- 0

Plus balls pocketed by opponents -- 10

Minus fouls -- 11

TOTAL Ball Count -- 132

Thorpe

1 ball -- 24 times

2 balls -- 10

3 balls -- 6

4 balls -- 3

5 balls -- 3

6 balls -- 4

7 balls -- 0

8 balls -- 3

9 balls -- 0

10 balls -- 0

Plus balls pocketed by opponents -- 11

Minus fouls -- 9

TOTAL Ball Count -- 139

Total for all 6 plalyers

1 ball -- 132 times

2 balls -- 52

3 balls -- 28

4 balls -- 27

5 balls -- 18

6 balls -- 17

7 balls -- 12

8 balls -- 18

9 balls -- 2

10 balls -- 1

Plus balls pocketed by opponents -- 73

Minus fouls -- 70

TOTAL Ball Count -- 879

pt109 · Jun 11, 2017

AtLarge said:
Here are some statistics from the Accu-Stats "Make-It-Happen" One-Pocket Invitational event played June 8-11, 2017 at Sandcastle Billiards in Edison, NJ, with pay-per-view streaming by Accu-Stats.

This was a 6-player event, with 15 round-robin matches (all races to 4) followed by a playoff match between the 2 players with the best records. The first tie-breaker for getting into the finals for players with the same records in matches was the number of games won. The 6 players were Francisco Bustamante, Alex Pagulayan, Efren Reyes, Josh Roberts, Billy Thorpe, and Shane Van Boening.

■ Conditions -- The conditions for this event included:
- Diamond 9-foot table with pro-cut pockets and blue Simonis 860 cloth;
- Aramith TV Tournament balls with a measles cue ball;
- Diamond wooden triangle rack;
- rack your own with alternating breaks;
- re-break if a ball is made on the break (happened 7 times, 5 of which were by Reyes, including twice in one game);
- 60-second shot clock (90 seconds after the break) with one automatic 60-second extension per player per rack (no clock violations occurred);
- cue ball fouls only (unless multiple balls are moved);
- 3 fouls in a row is loss of game (did not happen); and
- lag for opening break.

■ Match results -- The 16 matches were as follows (shown in the order in which they were played):

• Thurs., June 8 -- Pagulayan defeated Roberts 4-0, Van Boening d. Thorpe 4-1, Reyes d. Bustamante 4-1, and Van Boening d. Pagulayan 4-2.

• Fri., June 9 -- Bustamante d. Thorpe 4-1, Roberts d. Reyes 4-1, Van Boening d. Bustamante 4-1, and Pagulayan d. Thorpe 4-3.

• Sat., June 10 -- Roberts d. Van Boening 4-0, Reyes d. Thorpe 4-3, Bustamante d. Roberts 4-1, and Reyes d. Pagulayan 4-3.

• Sun., June 11 -- Thorpe d. Roberts 4-3, Bustamante d. Pagulayan 4-2, Van Boening d. Reyes 4-2, and Van Boening d. Reyes 4-2 (playoff finals).

■ Records in round-robin play (5 matches per player).

Van Boening -- 4-1 in matches, 16-10 in games, 154-115 in ball count

Reyes -- 3-2, 15-15, 162-176

Bustamante -- 3-2, 14-12, 150-122

Pagulayan -- 2-3, 15-15, 142-154

Roberts -- 2-3, 12-13, 132-133

Thorpe -- 1-4, 12-19, 139-179

■ Games won by breaker in round-robin play

Van Boening -- 10 of 13 (77%)

Reyes -- 10 of 16 (63%)

Bustamante -- 10 of 15 (67%)

Pagulayan -- 10 of 15 (67%)

Roberts -- 6 of 11 (55%)

Thorpe -- 8 of 14 (57%)
Total -- 54 of 84 (64%)

■ Playoff match -- won by Van Boening 4-2 over Reyes, with the total ball count in Van Boening's favor 37-22. Reyes won the lag; Van Boening won on 3 of 3 breaks, Reyes won on 2 of 3 breaks.

■ Matches won by winner of lag -- 8 of 16 (50%)

■ High run-outs (In round-robin play)

10-and-out by Pagulayan (1)

9-and-outs by Van Boening (1) and Pagulayan (1)

8-and-outs by Van Boening (6), Pagulayan (4), Thorpe (3), Bustmante (2), Roberts (1), and Reyes (1).
In addition, Van Boening had one 9-and-out in the finals.

■ Match lengths

Longest in total length (164 min.) -- Reyes d. Thorpe 4-3

Highest in average minutes per game (25) -- Van Boening d. Bustamante 4-1

Shortest in total length (42 min.) and lowest in average minutes per game (8) -- Van Boening d. Thorpe 4-1

Average match length -- 99 min.

Average minutes per game -- 18

■ Average match score -- 4 - 1.6

■ Breaking from right vs. left side of table

Breaks from breaker's right side of table -- 56 of 90 (62%)

Games won by breaker when breaking from his left side of table -- 20 of 34 ( 59%)

Games won by breaker when breaking from his right side of table -- 39 of 56 (70%)

■ Distribution of run-outs to win the 90 games:

1 ball -- 31 (34%)

2 balls -- 6

3 balls -- 7

4 balls -- 11

5 balls -- 4

6 balls -- 4

7 balls -- 6

8 balls -- 17 (23% for 8-10)

9 balls -- 3

10 balls -- 1

Thanx for the stats, sir.
When I started playing one-pocket, the word on the street was that the break is worth a
ball and a half......looks like it still is.

Skratch · Jun 12, 2017

I don't play 1P often. Excuse me if this is a silly question on the break rules. What is the logic behind the rule of doing a rerack if a ball is made on the break? Thought the idea of the all pocket games was to make a ball in a pocket.

pt109 · Jun 12, 2017

Skratch said:
I don't play 1P often. Excuse me if this is a silly question on the break rules. What is the logic behind the rule of doing a rerack if a ball is made on the break? Thought the idea of the all pocket games was to make a ball in a pocket.

I think it's a good rule when they're playing 'rack your own'.....
...makes any fiddling with the balls unimportant.

There are other games where the standard is to not make a ball on the break....
....straight pool and snooker are a couple.

Skratch · Jun 12, 2017

I see where the rack your own might warrant this breaking rule, but I wonder if the stats would look markedly different if it were allowed.

As for snooker and straight pool, I believe there is no similar break rule in those games. The breaker just opts to shoot safe because they don't like the odds against them if they miss. I think these games would be played different if there was such a break rule. Thanks for the comment.

Bob Jewett · Jun 12, 2017

Skratch said:
I see where the rack your own might warrant this breaking rule, but I wonder if the stats would look markedly different if it were allowed.

As for snooker and straight pool, I believe there is no similar break rule in those games. The breaker just opts to shoot safe because they don't like the odds against them if they miss. I think these games would be played different if there was such a break rule. Thanks for the comment.

Straight pool needs a "break must be safe" rule. If the rack is tight, there are several balls that are dead. They ran into this problem in the European championships where players would simply play for one of the dead balls at the end of the rack rather than arrange a standard 14.1 break. Their solution was to play with non-tight racks.

AtLarge · Jun 12, 2017

Skratch said:
I don't play 1P often. Excuse me if this is a silly question on the break rules. What is the logic behind the rule of doing a rerack if a ball is made on the break? Thought the idea of the all pocket games was to make a ball in a pocket.

They want both players involved in every game rather than the possibility of a break and run out. I think that is particularly important with such short races.

Josh Roberts commentated the finals along with Billy I. He said he really likes the re-break rule, that defending yourself after the break is an important part of the game.

lfigueroa · Jun 12, 2017

Skratch said:
I don't play 1P often. Excuse me if this is a silly question on the break rules. What is the logic behind the rule of doing a rerack if a ball is made on the break? Thought the idea of the all pocket games was to make a ball in a pocket.

This has been a recent (last few years) modification for some events and even some money matches.

Basicomally, a ball on the break creates a situation which makes it crushingly difficult for the non-breaking player to be competitive for that particular game. At a minimum, the guy who makes a ball on the break is getting two shots in a row off the break. If he doesn't score some, he can at least drive a few more to his side and totally bury the other guy -- it's a huuuge advantage, so the re-rack rule makes the matches more competitive by leavening out those particular games.

Lou Figueroa

pt109 · Jun 12, 2017

Over a decade ago, Alex played Jose Parica in a one-hole tournament...race to 4.....
....Alex broke, made a ball, ran 8 and out
...Jose broke.....Alex ran 8 and out
...Alex broke, made a ball, ran 8 and out
...Jose broke, Alex ran 8 and out

.....probably a one-pocket tournament record...Jose got to hit the cue ball twice.

AtLarge · Jun 12, 2017

lfigueroa said:
This has been a recent (last few years) modification for some events and even some money matches.

Basicomly, a ball on the break creates a situation which makes its crushingly difficult for the non-breaking player to be competitive for that particular game. At a minimum, the guy who makes a ball on the break is getting two shots in a row off the break. If he doesn't score some, at a minimum he can drive a few more to his side and and totally bury the other guy -- t's a huuuge advantage, so the re-rack rule make the matches more competitive by leavening out those particular games.

Lou Figueroa

Makes sense, and a better answer than mine (i.e., it goes well beyond eliminating B&R's).

1pocket · Jun 13, 2017

Thank you AtLarge for your detailed stats -- and so quickly tabulated!!

Skratch · Jun 13, 2017

So I guess the BnR in 1P is looked down upon, and not requiring a great amount of skill. Playing a bit of the Devils Adv. Should we also do a break rule for the other games that have BnR? How would <favorite Pro> do in 9ball (et al.) if they did a similar rule to prevent BnR? Why should 1P be any different from the other games?

I guess it's just something that I don't see.

PS: I'm not hating on 1P, so please don't take it as such. I just find this particular rule to be as unnecessary as the breaking rules against soft breaks in 9b. Which is why I asked the original question.

Side question: Were the others purposefully avoiding the ball on the break just because of this rule, or was Efren really that "Unlucky" during the break?

bbb · Jun 13, 2017

Skratch said:
So I guess the BnR in 1P is looked down upon, and not requiring a great amount of skill. Playing a bit of the Devils Adv. Should we also do a break rule for the other games that have BnR? How would <favorite Pro> do in 9ball (et al.) if they did a similar rule to prevent BnR? Why should 1P be any different from the other games?

I guess it's just something that I don't see.

PS: I'm not hating on 1P, so please don't take it as such. I just find this particular rule to be as unnecessary as the breaking rules against soft breaks in 9b. Which is why I asked the original question.

Side question: Were the others purposefully avoiding the ball on the break just because of this rule, or was Efren really that "Unlucky" during the break?

making a ball on the break in 1 pocket is more luck that skill
making a ball in 9 ball is more skill than luck
if you wish to discuss it further pm me so we dont sidetrack the thread
atlarge
thanks for the stats...:thumbup:

lfigueroa · Jun 13, 2017

Skratch said:
So I guess the BnR in 1P is looked down upon, and not requiring a great amount of skill. Playing a bit of the Devils Adv. Should we also do a break rule for the other games that have BnR? How would <favorite Pro> do in 9ball (et al.) if they did a similar rule to prevent BnR? Why should 1P be any different from the other games?

I guess it's just something that I don't see.

PS: I'm not hating on 1P, so please don't take it as such. I just find this particular rule to be as unnecessary as the breaking rules against soft breaks in 9b. Which is why I asked the original question.

Side question: Were the others purposefully avoiding the ball on the break just because of this rule, or was Efren really that "Unlucky" during the break?

I believe that out in the wild, a ball on the break still counts. The rule is just a recent development with limited applications for some matches and events. Udderwise it's business as usual with a ball on the break resulting in the usual hoopla and gnashing of teeth.

Contrary to popular belief, all the skill in the world will not guarantee a ball on the break at 1pocket. So you don't really play for it or conversely play to avoid it. The goal of the break in 1pocket, with some minor exceptions, is to always put balls near your pocket and to leave you opponent with limited avenues to remove said balls.

Lou Figueroa

HawaiianEye · Jun 13, 2017

Bob Jewett said:
Straight pool needs a "break must be safe" rule. If the rack is tight, there are several balls that are dead. They ran into this problem in the European championships where players would simply play for one of the dead balls at the end of the rack rather than arrange a standard 14.1 break. Their solution was to play with non-tight racks.

Do you have video of people calling and making balls on the initial rack of 14.1, when all 15 balls are racked together?

If so, could you please post them?

Nostroke · Jun 13, 2017

HawaiianEye said:
Do you have video of people calling and making balls on the initial rack of 14.1, when all 15 balls are racked together?

If so, could you please post them?

I would think if there were 'several dead balls' on a full rack, Corey at minimum would certainly be doing it and never dry breaking at 8 ball either.

Bob Jewett · Jun 13, 2017

HawaiianEye said:
Do you have video of people calling and making balls on the initial rack of 14.1, when all 15 balls are racked together?

If so, could you please post them?

Here's one from a discussion about the dead ball on the break problem. Notice how they rack the balls.

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?p=5698220&highlight=huidji+mario#post5698220

In another discussion, a player from Europe said that for 14.1 they change the end of the table you rack on so the balls won't be tight (from the trained rack area).

memphisbill · Jun 13, 2017

Stat man

Does this mean when someone made an suscessful offensive shot the average was about 2 1/2 balls average run?

AtLarge · Jun 13, 2017

memphisbill said:
Does this mean when someone made an suscessful offensive shot the average was about 2 1/2 balls average run?

If you'll look at the bottom of post #2 you'll see how the total ball count, or points, of 879 was achieved. For both the balls pocketed by opponents tally of 73 and the fouls tally of 70, some of those counts were part of successful "runs" and some resulted from one-shot innings that were defensive actions or failed offensive actions. I'd have to go back through all of those to tell which were part of successful runs and which were not. So let's ignore those categories.

What remains is 876 balls pocketed in 307 innings, for an average of about 2.9.

I didn't keep track of all the innings that did not affect the game scores.

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