My personal struggle being a slower player

ChrisinNC

AzB Silver Member
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I have struggled all my life with pace of play. I've improved over the years, but I still tend to be on the deliberate side. As an example, I invite you to watch this match I played with Vilmos. For what it's worth I speed up as I go, the first rack is pretty brutal but the pace does pick up a little. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Vji4wk5f78

I empathize with the frustration. I have played players who play much slower than I do. Slow play can ruin the fun of a match. It can lead to tournament brackets running behind schedule, 1AM matches, loss of interest to viewers, and many other problems. I take these seriously. I have no arguments with shot clocks or other reasonable solutions. And I apologize for the frustration experienced by other players who have played me.

As to why I play the way I do, it is hard to explain to someone that doesn't have the same demons that I do. The best I can do is compare it to something else we've probably all been through. Suppose you played SVB in the finals of a tournament and he started running multiple racks on you. You could tell yourself 'Don't get psyched out, play the table not the player', but that is not so easy to do. You know perfectly well that is good advice, you know that getting nervous and pessimistic about your chances doesn't help, you know that your best course of action is to play your normal game. But we are human, and as humans we have human responses to these situations that aren't always optimal.

Well, for me, I struggle with confidence. I don't have a powerful game where I can flow through racks and overpower the table. I struggle with execution, I struggle to pocket difficult shots. I have always been a fearful player. And as a result, my game built around those fears. I learned to play really good cue ball and very tight patterns to eliminate risk. I play good defense. I keep a good attitude. I try to control all the things I can to minimize the chances of unforced errors.

On every shot I have to battle doubts and fears not everyone has, or that not everyone processes the same way. I have to take a few extra deep breaths and try to calm myself. I am competitive and hate to make mistakes, so I have to make sure I'm making the best decision, that I'm set up on the shot right, that I feel good. I am not doing this to shark my opponent, I am doing the best I can to keep going.

I am smart enough to understand that the best players in the world have tremendous belief and trust in their game, and that it will be hard for me to improve or maximize my potential if I can't do the same. I've tried to evolve my style of play. I have worked with sports psychologists and hypnotists. I practice straight pool which is a rhythm game to try to improve my ability to get into a rhythm and achieve flow. I watch top players and visualize playing the same way. And I practice, practice, practice, so more and more situations look routine instead of challenging.

Some days I can do it. When I'm comfortable, when I get settled. I'm not always slow. But some days I struggle. This match was a great example. I'm three rounds in on the winners side of a tournament I flew to play, with a friend who's got half my action. I'm playing a higher rates player bar table 8 ball in a short set and know that a single mistake could cost me the set. Flat out, I'm nervous, and when I get nervous I struggle to flow.

I understand some people may feel that if I can't play faster by now I should just quit. I can't do that. Playing pool is an important part of my life. It is meaningful to me because I get to fight those demons. I get to say to my fears "You can scare me, but you can't make me quit, and you can't make me fail". It is my chance to show that with the right amount of practice, effort, and will, you can exceed what you thought were your limits and achieve amazing results. While I am not proud of my demons or the pace of my play in this match, I am proud of how hard I've worked and what I was able to achieve in spite of it. And I love this game as much as anyone has ever loved pool.

I will keep trying to play with better tempo. I am trying to play more tournaments hoping that with experience I'll get smoother. I don't know that I can get to a fast pace, but I think that players like Alex and Ralf or Nick V have a pace I could duplicate. Not fast, still deliberate, but not excessively slow. Still careful, but not too bogged down with doubt and fear. As I said, I've gotten better and play like this more and more of the time. And again, I have no objection to a shot clock, I actually appreciate it because if I was forced to play quicker it might help me and if not I'd welcome that added challenge to the game.

Mostly just wanted to share as many have expressed confusion as to the reason behind slower play and some have assumed it was all sharking. I think it's reasonable to be fatigued by slow play and use a shot clock to put an end to excessive time between shots. I just want you guys to know that some of us are just humans battling problems doing our best, and I hope there's still room for all of us to share this game.
I commend you for putting yourself out there with this thread, and in your absolutely excellent play in this match shown in the video. I didn't yet watch the entire 5 games, but my immediate impression / observation is that 39 minutes for any highly skilled player to run 5 consecutive racks of 8-ball without missing (basically averaging 1 ball made per minute) is indeed agonizingly slow - particularly for your opponent.

It's hard to criticize someone who plays as good as you do, and is (I'm guessing) as nice a guy as you are. However, being absolutely honest, I'd find it hard to want to practice with you regularly, if you also practice at this pace. I'd be thinking too much about the wasted time I'm not practicing that I'm sitting in my chair waiting for you to shoot, particularly as good a player as you are and that you rarely miss. I'm sure I'd also find it hard as your opponent in a match playing against you.

I am keeping in mind that in these short races, on a bar box, against quality opponents, at any time during the match you could be one miss away from your last miss and losing the match. I also realize playing 8-ball offers many more different options in terms of the order you plan to run the balls out, and this order often can change if you get even slightly out of line in your positioning. This naturally requires more thinking/planning before getting down on the shot. I'd have to see you playing another match, preferably 9-ball, against another high level opponent on a 9-foot table, to have a more complete picture of your pace of play.

It is clear by watching the video, and by your thoughts expressed in your initial thread, that you in no way are trying to play slow to shark your opponent, and that this pace of play works for you. We all have to accept that everyone has a different pace of play. If you were not a very good player but played at this same pace, it might be more of an issue, but that is obviously not the case with you.
 

KenRobbins

AzB Silver Member
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I commend you for putting yourself out there with this thread, and in your absolutely excellent play in this match shown in the video. I didn't yet watch the entire 5 games, but my immediate impression / observation is that 39 minutes for any highly skilled player to run 5 consecutive racks of 8-ball without missing (basically averaging 1 ball made per minute) is indeed agonizingly slow - particularly for your opponent.

It's hard to criticize someone who plays as good as you do, and is (I'm guessing) as nice a guy as you are. However, being absolutely honest, I'd find it hard to want to practice with you regularly, if you also practice at this pace. I'd be thinking too much about the wasted time I'm not practicing that I'm sitting in my chair waiting for you to shoot, particularly as good a player as you are and that you rarely miss. I'm sure I'd also find it hard as your opponent in a match playing against you.

I am keeping in mind that in these short races, on a bar box, against quality opponents, at any time during the match you could be one miss away from your last miss and losing the match. I also realize playing 8-ball offers many more different options in terms of the order you plan to run the balls out, and this order often can change if you get even slightly out of line in your positioning. This naturally requires more thinking/planning before getting down on the shot. I'd have to see you playing another match, preferably 9-ball, against another high level opponent on a 9-foot table, to have a more complete picture of your pace of play.

It is clear by watching the video, and by your thoughts expressed in your initial thread, that you in no way are trying to play slow to shark your opponent, and that this pace of play works for you. We all have to accept that everyone has a different pace of play. If you were not a very good player but played at this same pace, it might be more of an issue, but that is obviously not the case with you.

He takes down Mika Immonen here, 9 ball on a 9ft table. https://youtu.be/fyG2n65tvcA
 

JC

Coos Cues
:crying:The only thing worse than a slow player is one who's 50 points your fargo inferior that grinds you into dust.
 
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logical

Loose Rack
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Inability to make a decision. Who makes the decisions at home and at work? Someone else I presume.
I can be snarky but that was a pretty sheety thing to say to someone who choose to come here with a question like this. It says a lot more about you than him.

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