I just realized that with all the hoopla going on I've actually not conveyed my thoughts on swooping. Not all at once anyway. A bit here and a bit there in different posts. The original post wasn't even about swooping and it's possible that evergruven never even heard the term until this thread.
The swooping possibility was first brought up by Fran. She's since changed her mind due to the post by BC21 post#293 who accurately described what was happening in that shot on the video.
I knew it wasn't a swoop stroke, not because I'm smarter or more observant, but simply because I happen to know that Jose (in spite of being Filipino) doesn't employ that stroke.
Getting back to swooping....or swiping as some oldtimers I know would say. JMO but I don't think the topic comes up much amongst younger players. It was much more prevalent 30+ years ago.
I started doing it 50 or more years ago and I don't remember very well but I'm pretty sure no one ever told me about it. I probably picked it up the same way I got most everything back then, by studying the better players. (check out this excellent video by Blackjack on how things were back then)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zofiR4HWJwg&list=PLar28QL-iSFFnaxO96EAaA-esXNp5w4RR&index=22
I still do it occasionally on certain shots, usually just instinctively and after the shot very often wish I hadn't. Reason being cuz maybe I missed the shot or miscued.
It's not that it's an ineffective stroke but it is one that requires a good deal of touch/muscle memory and at this point in time I don't play enough to maintain the feel necessary to execute it reliably. As said previously I wouldn't recommend it to a newer player as the added movement definitely would not be conducive to them developing a straight stroke which IMO is the single most important thing to develop if you wish to play this game well.
When I was doing it back in the day I only did it when cutting an OB to the left and applying right hand english. I executed it by twisting my wrist, rotating my knuckles towards my body (I'm right handed). This is a very natural movement to me whereas rotating out away from my body seems unnatural. So for right cuts I did it differently. On the final backstroke I'd go on a slight angle away from my body and then come stright forward at the left side of the CB. Same end result.
And regardless of direction I never really aimed center ball, I always shaded slightly towards the intended english side but then struck the CB much further out on the edge. That's how I did it. I'm sure others may have done something different.
I guess the point is that we all, particularly older players, have certain techniques we use to accomplish things. Good or bad, right or wrong, we had to learn whatever way we could and most of the time it took a lot of trial and error before we figured it out.
As Blackjack says in the video, there was no internet, no Youtube. God, I would have killed my best friend to get access to Dr Daves website.
I remember watching a video a while back where George Fels was commentating and brought up Boston Shorty. He said a few things about him and one was that he gave lessons. I knew right then that George never actually knew Larry because if he had he would have known he wouldn't give his mother a lesson. Even if she paid him.
You played him for money, and lost. That was your lesson. If you wanted a second lesson then you had to raise the bet.
The young players today are able to progress much quicker. Somewhat because of better equipment but moreso due to easy access to correct information.
Well, as usual I'm off topic. Seeing as how this is an instructors forum (which I'm not) I'd assume a lot of people come on here looking for how to get better. If so, check out another of Blackjacks gems on what's important towards that end.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8Dko09FPn0&list=PLar28QL-iSFFnaxO96EAaA-esXNp5w4RR&index=3&t=19s Possibly the best of his many superb videos.