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Parroting some non entity? I speak my own mind since I have been around the game and great players for about 20 years now. However, what I have said is something many others have said before. You can hear Bill Incardona speak the same comments I have made on some of Efren's Accu-stat matches. I guess Billy don't know what he's talking about, huh? He's only been around the game all his life and seen every great player at one time or another. Do you think he got the commentator role on Accu-stats because he don't know what he's talking about? Efren tried to get Buddy to help him with his break years ago. Ask any of the top players and they will agree with me. Efren knows he has a weak break compared to some of the other great players. It's more of an even playing field though when they are playing on tighter pocket tables since less balls go on the break.
Anyway, like I've stated before, Efren is the greatest player to ever live, atleast in my time. I never got to watch Luther play in his prime, but out of everyone I've ever witnessed, Efren is the best. So, if you think I was talking bad about Efren, there you have it. My only point was if Efren had Bustamante's break, he'd win almost every nineball tournament he played. If his break wasn't a big factor in nineball tournaments, then why does he win just about every one pocket or eightball tournament he plays?
First off, I promise you I've spent more time watching Efren play than you on accu-stats, TV, and in person.yobagua said:Its obvious that you have never spent quality time seeing Efren play.
Secondly, WOW, you've seen Efren run fives and sixes and you even seen him hit Alex with an eight! Earl won his million by running ten. Him and Archer have run sets out along with other great powerhouse breakers. Do you think they play better or as good as Efren? Ofcourse they don't! He runs balls better than any living human and has for not years, but for decades. If you think his break is good, then you are saying that the other top pros that win tournaments play as well as he does, which they don't.yobagua said:Ive seen Efren run 5 or six racks. One time in LA he ran 8 against Alex Pagulayan. How can he run all those racks with a "weak" break? He has a rack that suits his game. He doesnt slam em and jam em with a loud sound ala Shannon or Busta but one that allows him to run out when he pockets a ball.
Lastly, you are correct. His break is fine and is sufficient for him because he runs out better than anyone, but it's not great. Every other aspect of his game is great other than banks. You'll probably want to argue that he's a great banker too, right? He does bank good, but he doesn't bank great. His kicks, safes, kick safes, shot making, and position play are either even with or above any other player. If you thinks he breaks so good, go back and watch the 2005(maybe 2004) finals of the International Challenge of Champions with him against Bustamante. I believe the final set score was 7-1 Bustamante. Efren never missed a ball. It is an alternating break format and the only game he won was when he made a ball on the break, one time, and ran out. All the other games he broke, didn't make a ball, and Francisco ran out. Every game Bustamante broke, he made a ball and ran out.yobagua said:All you are doing is parroting what some non entity who wants to point out something negative about a great player. His break is fine.
Parroting some non entity? I speak my own mind since I have been around the game and great players for about 20 years now. However, what I have said is something many others have said before. You can hear Bill Incardona speak the same comments I have made on some of Efren's Accu-stat matches. I guess Billy don't know what he's talking about, huh? He's only been around the game all his life and seen every great player at one time or another. Do you think he got the commentator role on Accu-stats because he don't know what he's talking about? Efren tried to get Buddy to help him with his break years ago. Ask any of the top players and they will agree with me. Efren knows he has a weak break compared to some of the other great players. It's more of an even playing field though when they are playing on tighter pocket tables since less balls go on the break.
Anyway, like I've stated before, Efren is the greatest player to ever live, atleast in my time. I never got to watch Luther play in his prime, but out of everyone I've ever witnessed, Efren is the best. So, if you think I was talking bad about Efren, there you have it. My only point was if Efren had Bustamante's break, he'd win almost every nineball tournament he played. If his break wasn't a big factor in nineball tournaments, then why does he win just about every one pocket or eightball tournament he plays?