what's the distinguishing difference between katz & brunswick?
maybe my dad's dbl butterfly i have here could be a katz?
terrible pics of my dad's cue
cant find the GOOD pics
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what's the distinguishing difference between katz & brunswick?
maybe my dad's dbl butterfly i have here could be a katz?
terrible pics of my dad's cue
cant find the GOOD pics
It wasn't me.
I believe they did...but I haven't seen enough Katz cues to say it is consistently so really.
I believe other old makers did so too though, so I don't think it is a maker identifying feature.
It seems to me that very often identifying a Katz first involves ruling it out as a Brunswick. If a butterfly cue can't be identified people usually say it is a Katz...at least that is what I have seen. There were other makers though....so I am guessing it isn't always true.
I don't know of any specific identifying features of a Katz cue. I would be interested to know if anybody does.
I'll let the Katz (pun intended) out of the bag and say I recently acquired what I believe to be an old Katz. But it has already been cut so I don't know the original dimensions. It is suitable for a blank though, which is spectacular IMHO.
The cue has double butterflies, all dead even, three veneers (natural red and green), and is zebrawood into straight maple. The old varnish is still on it and yelloewd so the cue looks dull. It is also a bit fat (a good thing for a blank). I can't find anything like this by Brunswick but I have seen similar that have been called Katz, so I think it is a Katz. All considered it is a remarkable butterfly cue of remarkable quality...consistent with Katz I think.
If anybody knows specific Katz identifying features, I would love to hear them.
I'll post pics of the old butterfly I found soon. I think it's pretty special...but maybe it will get shot down....who knows?
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what's the distinguishing difference between katz & brunswick?
maybe my dad's dbl butterfly i have here could be a katz?
terrible pics of my dad's cue
cant find the GOOD pics
BHQ,
I don't know enough to make that call. I hope someone can chime in and provide some insight as to his history/story. Which came first? Katz or Brunswick? The butt is thick on mine. Does yours have a large butt?
Does your stick have the pin coming out of the shaft?. Does it have a similar bumper? Do the points align with the center of the butterflies? Does the ivory show some signs of age? Is there a number stamped on the butt? These are some obvious things I see. . Really solid hit and weight distribution. I have a LOA from the Blue Book also.
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This is the one I found. It is already cut. Looks like zebrawood into maple. Three very nice veneers. Butterflies are dead even, two long and two short. It's a bit darkened with age and the old school varnish on it yellowed.
Since it is already cut I was thinking to have the splices moved forward and a handle put in. I would have the nice sharp bottom points showing above the wrap if I had the splices moved forward. There is more than enough of the zebrawood for a butt sleeve. I have an additional piece of it about five inches long as well.
I haven't measured it yet. I still have to unpack my tools since we moved. But it is very obviously fat enough to do whatever I want with it.
I really don't know what it is...but it looks very old and very good quality.
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Since it is already cut I was thinking to have the splices moved forward and a handle put in. I would have the nice sharp bottom points showing above the wrap if I had the splices moved forward. There is more than enough of the zebrawood for a butt sleeve. I have an additional piece of it about five inches long as well.
I haven't measured it yet. I still have to unpack my tools since we moved. But it is very obviously fat enough to do whatever I want with it.
I really don't know what it is...but it looks very old and very good quality.
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Thanks. Coming from you that means a lot to me.
I am very excited about it. It just has all the elements I could want. I have been looking for an old butterfly to convert but I wanted at least three veneers and four butterflies. Not easy to find. I also wanted something fancy in the butt wood. Again not easy to find. Then this one falls into my life....
I am giddy like a school girl.......
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Great thread, and wonderful pics. Stunning work....
There is another butterfly thread too. I wish we could merge them. Some of the cues are the same, but there are some different ones too.
There are some monster cool cues pictured.
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I've been loving butterfly's for 40 years - going back to when the only butterflies around were either snooker cues or Helmstetter 3cushion cues. Two years ago I finally got around to designing one myself and having it built. The first 7 or so cuemakers that I talked to (including several of the well known cuebuilders currently doing a lot of butterflies) about building it for me either couldn't build it, or said they weren't comfortable with the idea of trying to build it...then I got real lucky, and found the perfect cuebuilder to build my cue for me...
Although I can appreciate the work-hours involved in designing/building them..and I like a lot of them...personally, I didn't want a butterfly cue with a lot of colors or busy looking complexities. I wanted my butterfly cue to look mean and lean. And I'm partial to ebony and curly maple so those were my wood choices. It turned out perfect - looks killer and plays perfect...and it's one of a kind. ------>
- Ghost
Although I can appreciate the work-hours involved in designing/building them..and I like a lot of them...personally, I didn't want a butterfly cue with a lot of colors or busy looking complexities. I wanted my butterfly cue to look mean and lean. And I'm partial to ebony and curly maple so those were my wood choices. It turned out perfect - looks killer and plays perfect...and it's one of a kind. ------>
- Ghost
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ebony and pink ivory with holly veneers
jobillo and maple with mahagony veneers
Nice stuff Andy!!!:smile:
Willie Blade cues.
