THERE IS NO DOUBLE CHECK WHEN YOU ALREADY HAVE THE SYSTEM THAT DOES IT ALL. PERIOD.
Too bad there is no such system.
pj
chgo
THERE IS NO DOUBLE CHECK WHEN YOU ALREADY HAVE THE SYSTEM THAT DOES IT ALL. PERIOD.
av84fun said:Somehow, the diagram got corrupted. It just shows several OBs overlapped in a row. I went back to p 6 and the same thing happened so maybe you could post a new diagram.
But in reviewing your p. 6 post you asked whay I didn't use some other existing system that works for all shots.
To the extent that there is such a thing, the central point of my system is that SOME people may find that using the rifle sight cue tip pointing method is more intuitive and involves less "imagination" of ball fractions...clock positions, ghost ball positions etc. than such other systems.
And who says the cue tip aiming system doesn't work for all shots...or at least as many shots as any other system??
There are known Exceptions and certainly will be more but so far each one of them can be adjusted for successfully and systematically.
EVEN IF you are, say, a ghost ball advocate...fine. But when you establish the IMAGINARY ghost ball for it to be useful, you have to keep it in its imaginary place while accomplishing ALL SORTS of other physical and visual activities.
BUT with the cue tip...laser beam system...once you establish the ghost ball's position and aim at it ANY WAY YOU WANT, you will BY DEFINITION have established an EXACT SPOT on the OB where the tip should point...and once you've done that, you can leave the table, have a beer, watch an inning of baseball and come back to the table and pocket the shot WITHOUT EVERY THINKING ABOUT EITHER THE GHOST BALL OR THE POCKET FOR THAT MATTER.
Some will see the value in that and others won't.
Regards,
Jim
CaptainJR said:In the mean time maybe you can tell me how, using your system, can you tell what part of the pocket you are going to use. You know, when you need to pocket the ball in the left side of the pocket or the right side of the pocket. Maybe it is a shot going down the long rail the you need to cheat a little and catch the rail just a little bit? How do you manage these situations?"
av84fun said:By feel/experience JR. All aiming systems (that I am aware of) are baseline systems from which adjustments must be made for various cuing issues.
My point is that I would rather estimate those adjustments from a known baseline than not having a baseline.
The benefit of any system would be to measurably improve the user's previous shot making percentage...not to make it perfect.
Regards,
Jim
The BIG ISSUE is..."How many highly recognizable TPs are there in relation to the number needed to pocket X% of the shots we face on the table.
Certainly, the percent is not 100 but I guess my response would be "So what?"
You say, "By feel/experience" and you talk about "baseline systems" for "various cuing issues". But in posts above you insisted that we were only talking about center ball when it suited your purpose.
By your own words you adjust for accuracy to one or the other side of the pocket by feel/experience. With a contact point system you can aim for exactly where you want the ball to go in the pocket.
These shots may look similar but I assure none of these six shots can be aimed the same.
Assuming that you will use some other way to get out of answering again, because I don't think you have an answer other than by feel, I'll say again that using a contact point you can accurately aim each of these shots.
PastPrime said:Hello, Mr. av84fun.
I just shot that proposed lineup twice and the balls all went in the middle of the pocket except for the first go-around I missed 1 & 3 because of just plain "mis-hitting" which I do from time to time. And I missed the 6th one the second time for the same reason. I re shot each of the misses and made them. I also scratched twice in the same pocket following the OB in but that was not part of the trial. I would think that rather than TRY to find an area that balls can't be made from perhaps the naysayers might work on their position.
I don't know you personally but it sure seems like you came up with a simple AND ACCURATE system to me and I'm certainly willing to try it on my bad days when the pocket doesn't seem to be where I'm lined up.
What's the problem with this System? It's offered to those who want it. I do. I want to continue to learn different ways to play. Whether it's jumping, B.E., inside or outside spin, speed, banking, kicking or whatever. I think it's great that you volunteered your system to those who want to use it or it's deletable by others who are happy with what they have and know.
I think that Dr. Dave, Bob Jewett, Hal Houle and the others that my aged mind can't recall now who write in different things to try and those of you that furnish or bring to our attention the Internet videos that are so interesting and helpful should be thanked, not vilified (never used that word before).
All I know is that I would rather read something positive and helpful rather than someone sitting on the sidelines trying to pick errors out of the air and hide their own problems.
Thank you again and I hope the response was more positive than negative and that you will contine to post your ideas.
Jerry.
Patrick Johnson said:Actually, your response was "Is too!" - glad you're starting to make some sense.
pj
chgo
av84fun said:First, I don't know why you comment in such an antagonistic fashion since my posts to you have been respectful. Two, I have NEVER suggested that a contact point system is inaccurate...at least for people who understand that adjustments for cueing issues and/or for CIT must be made from a geometric CP system...so I don't know why you seem to have your shorts all in a bunch.
Aim any way ya want pardner.
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WHAT LEVEL OF PLAY ARE YOU AT???? IF YOU ARE AT A PROFESSIONAL LEVEL YOU KNOW WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT.Tin Man said:I use the ghost ball system only. I am not aware that it ever broke down under any conditions.
I am openminded, however, and am interested in knowing what its weaknesses are. Maybe I subconciously compensate with another system after all.
AND WHAT SYSTEM OF MINE DID YOU USE. I DID NOT TEACH YOU ANY SYSYEM OF MINE. NAME THE SYSTEM PLEASE.JimS said:I typically use two or three methods to aim with the most common being the ghost ball (using a forward and rear ghost ball), one of Hal's systems and feel of the angle. I miss a lot still.
AND WHAT SYSTEM OF MINE DID YOU USE. I DID NOT TEACH YOU ANY SYSTEM OF MINE. NAME THE SYSTEM PLEASE.JimS said:I typically use two or three methods to aim with the most common being the ghost ball (using a forward and rear ghost ball), one of Hal's systems and feel of the angle. I miss a lot still.
AND WHAT SYSTEM OF MINE DID YOU USE. I DID NOT TEACH YOU ANY SYSTEM OF MINE. NAME THE SYSTEM PLEASE.JimS said:I typically use two or three methods to aim with the most common being the ghost ball (using a forward and rear ghost ball), one of Hal's systems and feel of the angle. I miss a lot still.
I use the ghost ball system only. I am not aware that it ever broke down under any conditions.
I am openminded, however, and am interested in knowing what its weaknesses are. Maybe I subconciously compensate with another system after all.
av84fun said:Captain..."At this point I usually get into how you should be striving to play by feel and a short cut will not move you in that direction etc, etc. I think I'll skip that part cause your not ready for that yet."
You say that you'll skip something that you just DIDN'T skip.
LOL
And since I'm SO "not ready" why don't you give me the 5-7 and we'll play some.
Chris's
9 ft.
3 Races to 9
Alternate Break
Texas Express
1 bag per set...2 loss tap out...POSTED
And I am SO, SO appreciative that you are "a little bit sorry...but not very much."
I FEEL ya man. I can't tell you how much that means to me.
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EDIT: You have also insulted a number of other people who have benefitted...so, I guess we are all just NOT WORTHY.
ROFLMAO
I didn't insult anyone. I just showed some facts about this kind of thing.