Thank you, Billy Incardona

lfigueroa

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I like Billy, but sometimes he talks a little too much. My favorite
is Danny Diliberto and when he was alive Grady Matthews


Grady and Billy together were a great pool commentary team.

Greater than the sum of its parts and all that.

Lou Figueroa
 

ShortBusRuss

Short Bus Russ - C Player
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Grady and Billy together were a great pool commentary team.

Greater than the sum of its parts and all that.

Lou Figueroa

Yes.... But I felt it was more about the entertainment of hearing them bicker, than the actual pool content. I felt that Grady always wore the bigger pants as far as the actual knowledge of the game, though. I am of the opinion that choosing to go with Billy over Grady when the two just couldn't get along was a disservice to the Accu-Stats fans... And Grady prolly needed the money more. Much more.

That being said... For my money, Jeremy Jones is the new gold standard for One Pocket commentary. He catches the nuances of what playing to a certain portion of the table gives up to the incoming player, and what move is gonna get played back likely, before THIS inning is played.. 2nd level thinking, a la Efren. I've gotten so much more out of listening to his commentary than any current commentator, bar none.
 

ShortBusRuss

Short Bus Russ - C Player
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I was impress too. Bill was able to predict almost all Efren position play or shot both offensive and defensive.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBXJ1cDJ-0s

He should be coaching USA Mosconi Cup players. If I am looking for a coach, he will be the one.

Eh. Billy has always been too cautious of a One Pocket player. Grady won many more major One pocket events, if I am not mistaken. Counterintuitively, safety was never a huge part of his 9 ball game, and he was smart with the money, so didn't match up with world-beaters often, so he didn't need it.. I don't think he is necessarily the person to address the general subpar safety play in years past.

I like the Jeremy Jones / Johann combination. Jeremy Jones is likely the smartest pro player out there today. It's probably only his fundamentals that keep him from still being a force in the game.
 

JohnnyP

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I watched a vid with Corey and Billy (I think) and a third guy commenting. Wish I had saved the link. Anyone know the one I am thinking of?

Corey was coming up with off the wall scenarios and Billy and the other guy were razzing him pretty badly.
 

ShortBusRuss

Short Bus Russ - C Player
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I watched a vid with Corey and Billy (I think) and a third guy commenting. Wish I had saved the link. Anyone know the one I am thinking of?

Corey was coming up with off the wall scenarios and Billy and the other guy were razzing him pretty badly.

I remember that match.. Unfortunately, Accu-Stats video doesn't get that people often choose which videos to buy based on the commentators, and isn't listing the commentators on the videos. I have a large library that I've converted to digital/mp4, but it would take me a while to scan through the videos to find that one.. It would be relatively early in his One Pocket career, I think? Maybe mid 90's to mid 2000's?
 

lfigueroa

AzB Silver Member
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Yes.... But I felt it was more about the entertainment of hearing them bicker, than the actual pool content. I felt that Grady always wore the bigger pants as far as the actual knowledge of the game, though. I am of the opinion that choosing to go with Billy over Grady when the two just couldn't get along was a disservice to the Accu-Stats fans... And Grady prolly needed the money more. Much more.

That being said... For my money, Jeremy Jones is the new gold standard for One Pocket commentary. He catches the nuances of what playing to a certain portion of the table gives up to the incoming player, and what move is gonna get played back likely, before THIS inning is played.. 2nd level thinking, a la Efren. I've gotten so much more out of listening to his commentary than any current commentator, bar none.


I don't think they started out bickering.

I think at first they just had two different approaches to the game. And the benefit to the fans was that you got two extremely logical and well informed points of view on the game scenarios that were nicely articulated. I think that later on, things did get a bit acrimonious between the two of them but it was still interesting to hear what they had to say.

Lou Figueroa
 

DrCue'sProtege

AzB Silver Member
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Billy and Grady, and Buddy Hall too, were outstanding when they commentated the Reno Sands Regency 9-Ball tournaments back in the 1990s. Absolutely outstanding! And the repartee was usually entertaining as well.

I regret that I will never get to meet Grady.

r/DCP
 

deanoc

AzB Silver Member
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Years ago Billy was a 9 ball player first.

In the last 20 years ,he began to take one pocket more seriously and became
a real master. billy has age ,stamina, a back and other related problems
that affect his playing.

I always thought Billy was a top level gambler,smart,informed and bold.

I played him 2 or 3 times and it could have been more often had i not had
so much respect for his talents,( in other words I was scared)

I always felt if Billy liked the game,so did i.

I guess his commenting days are behind him,but he has saved for
the rainy day and I expect we will have new stories from and
concerning Billy to entertain us.

I am surprised to hear Buddy's remarks,I didn't know Billy was that good.
I had Buddy and Nick at the top in my estimation.
 
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terryhanna

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I see Nick is still using his White Lightning cue.
Good view here of Nick's cue :)

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Karate

Do you expect me to post?
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It was the 2011 US Open OnePocket

I watched a vid with Corey and Billy (I think) and a third guy commenting. Wish I had saved the link. Anyone know the one I am thinking of?

Corey was coming up with off the wall scenarios and Billy and the other guy were razzing him pretty badly.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6A1QCJTdBU

Funny you ask.. This is one of my favorites also.
I was just telling Billy that a couple months back.

Everyone needs to watch this one.
Billy, Scott Frost and Corey Duel are the commentators.

Karate-
 

Fatboy

AzB Silver Member
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Years ago Billy was a 9 ball player first.

In the last 20 years ,he began to take one pocket more seriously and became
a real master. billy has age ,stamina, a back and other related problems
that affect his playing.

I always thought Billy was a top level gambler,smart,informed and bold.

I played him 2 or 3 times and it could have been more often had i not had
so much respect for his talents,( in other words I was scared)

I always felt if Billy liked the game,so did i.

I guess his commenting days are behind him,but he has saved for
the rainy day and I expect we will have new stories from and
concerning Billy to entertain us.

I am surprised to hear Buddy's remarks,I didn't know Billy was that good.
I had Buddy and Nick at the top in my estimation.


This is 100% accurate, well said.

Best,

Fatboy

And Billy is a good backgammon player too, add that to the accolades
 

deanoc

AzB Silver Member
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Today I spent some time with Billy around his pool table.

He entertained me for quite a while with interesting stories
about the players of our generation

Many of my comments about Billy and his ability were in accurate.
I didn't realize he had been as serious about one pocket as long as he had been,
nor did I have a true appreciation for his 9 ball game

Today Billy is financially set and his skills are diminishing as is
the way of the world.

As we spoke I cautioned him about the danger of becoming an easy mark,
having less skill,less ambition,and worst of all less patience in matching up.

He agreed saying it was only his reputation of days gone by that was protecting him today.

We laughed at ourselves.

As he spoke to me I realized how great a commentator he is. If penetrating insight,
a wealth of interesting anecdotes, debth of understanding not only pool but
complicated interactions on the human nature of us all,

I realized again why,we all love Billy
 

Tommy-D

World's best B player...
Silver Member
Billy's banter with Grady was a unique flavor,and in the time I spent with him we discussed it.

He told me that even though you might hear them talk bad to each other at times,that it was just a part of the way their personalities both complimented and clashed with each other,but they both had each others respect,and both knew that if the chips were truly down,they could count on each other.

He even compared their relationship to the Walter Matthau/Jack Lemmon duo in Grumpy Old Men,or the two guys up in the rafters on The Muppet Show Waldorf and Astoria.

I'd like to hear Jeremy Jones with Billy if anyone has an example. Tommy D.
 
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