Sean said they raised the handicap on a player who was 2-2 and another player who was 1-2. Russ had it right. They got screwed.
Case closed.
APA screwed our very own sleinen out of a national championship
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Sean said they raised the handicap on a player who was 2-2 and another player who was 1-2. Russ had it right. They got screwed.
Case closed.
Calling BS.
I've heard it first hand influence handicapping at the state or WQ level. Up until that point I didn't mind it and I just assumed it was fair.
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If one player went up, your “honest player” has merit. Two? I’ll buy it. Everyone except 2 players went up a ranking. You, in effect, played the tournament with a 28 rule instead of 23. Yep....seems fair and unintentional.
In one response you say you don't think it was intentional, then in this one you imply it was. The players were being watched and went up over the course of 9 rounds - I didn't "play the tournament with a 28 rule instead of 23"
I'd really like to get out of this thread honestly, so please don't take any further silence on my part for agreement.
Could be, but again we don't know skill levels of any player involved in the matches. What I mean is, if my SL 2 goes 2-2 and those 2 wins were against 5's and 6's with relatively low innings, I wouldn't be shocked if they got bumped.
Regardless, seems all the fat has been chewed off this bone, and Sean has come on here and explained his position succinctly and with grace.
I'm only 41 far from a curmudgeon.
I have nothing against the apa. They bring a lot of people into this sport/game/social activity,depending on your perception. I have nothing against people who are serious about the apa, I'm just not one of them.
The apa is a business and as such have rules I place to protect their products, being the equalizer handicap system and the team championships, as they should.
You and I are in agreement that there were rules in place and they were broken. We are also in agreement that the captain should have understand all of his duties going into this event.
I'm not sure why you want to pick a fight. I am allowed to play apa and still have the opinion that it isn't great.
It must be a slow day on the "apa can do no wrong" message board.
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My sig other is a red bib at the events. She was playing the tourney, and not working this tournament. We’d heard about your team after the second round. You were watched by several officials over the course of the tourney. They all gave the same feedback. So I know more than most with regards to what went down.
Not saying you're wrong, just repeating what they said. And no I don't believe they dumped to us to avoid any possible DQ situation. If so they would not have gone to the 5th match and almost won it. They seemed like a very nice group and could not have been classier in the way they played and acted.
I'm only 41 far from a curmudgeon.
I have nothing against the apa. They bring a lot of people into this sport/game/social activity,depending on your perception. I have nothing against people who are serious about the apa, I'm just not one of them.
The apa is a business and as such have rules I place to protect their products, being the equalizer handicap system and the team championships, as they should.
You and I are in agreement that there were rules in place and they were broken. We are also in agreement that the captain should have understand all of his duties going into this event.
I'm not sure why you want to pick a fight. I am allowed to play apa and still have the opinion that it isn't great.
It must be a slow day on the "apa can do no wrong" message board.
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I’m not the one picking fights. There is a mob slagging what happened. I know a lot of the refs at the event. I date one of them. So I know a lot more of the background story than most people posting.
The system would flag them. They’d be warned. There would be at least one official warning. Then they’d get the boot. The only way 6 players can go up on a roster and still be active is if they had the tournament officials raise their rankings before the first rack was broken.
I wish I had had more time to talk with them and get more details and clarification. But alas I did not. I hope to retire to their area relatively soon and I will ask then.
That is a lot to expect when 'don't show your true speed' is embedded in the DNA of the sport.
And yet they blame the league for this issue....
In a handicapped league, there will always be someone trying to manipulate the system. Then number of times they get it right, in my opinion, is much higher than the number of times they get it wrong. Yet people want to jump on a flourishing and self sustaining league that actually promotes the game, because ONE customer got a little bent out of shape. SMH.
One team suspended. What about all of the other teams that managed to make it through the event unscathed?
Especially that one team who happened to benefit the most after that one team got suspended. :scratchhead:
What about the teams they eliminated from the tournament? Seems like more than one team got screwed, yes?
I guess that would depend on whether or not you're biased because of your GFs involvement in the event, yes?
GF played in the ladies division. I played Masters. So, this had no bearing on our brackets. Next theory?