CTE Does NOT Work - It Did For One Pro

SpiderWebComm · May 29, 2020

BC21 said:
It is a really good book, worth reading several times.

And why would I deny or believe that about Allison? Stan has a good reputation as an instructor, so of course he's likely to get anyone coming through the door. The only thing I would find hard to believe is that she converted to CTE aiming.

I didn't state that nor was it stated about Gerda. However, they both were doing things before ever getting the lessons that involved offsets and sweeping. That was determined right away when the lessons got started. If you think pro players are playing like you as a noser with 20 fractions to decipher, you're sadly mistaken.

That would be silly to insinuate. In your mind, every champion player that leaves Stan's facility adopts CTE and abandons their noser style aiming. It's silly, in a funny way, but certainly nothing to get bent out shape over when someone points out how silly it is.

Pros aren't typically nosers. That isn't how they play. But you wouldn't know that since you've never given a lesson to a pro.

I believe she and Gerda and many other champions have had instruction from Mark Wilson also. Does that mean they adapted his method of aiming, which I believe is ghostball. No, of course not. Mark Wilson understands that aiming itself is never the problem with experienced players.

Different instructors have their own views on what is important and what isn't. Aiming isn't Mark Wilson's focus or strength. Landon knew far more than Mark Wilson about aiming when Mark was the coach for their college team.

But like I said, you guys can believe want you want. The way I see it, the fact that Allison got a set of Stan's DVDs is about as meaningful as getting a free bumper sticker from your favorite candidate at a political rally. Most of those stickers never get used.

Anyhow, peace out.

Don't bet on it and neither Gerda or Allison would say that. But you would. I wondered how long it would take you to throw out one of your low class/no class comments like this one.

What would they have done if they bought your ebook or book on Poolology?
Oh wait, they wouldn't have bothered to begin with and never will because it has zero meaning to them and be totally useless.

BC21 · May 29, 2020

SpiderWebComm said:
Don't bet on it and neither Gerda or Allison would say that. But you would.

What would they have done if they bought your ebook or book on Poolology?
Oh wait, they wouldn't have bothered to begin with and never will because it has zero meaning to them.

Exactly. That's my point. Pros don't need aiming instruction. They've hit so many balls that that portion of the game is automatic. Getting to that portion consistently, however, does involve a solid psr, and that's a good plus for CTE.

Here's a common thing also... Courteous people tend to buy things sometimes out of kindness and respect more often than necessity. Like when I see a girl scout selling cookies....I'll always walk over and see if there's anything I'd like to have. If not, I still purchase a box, any box, to support the girl scouts and the good things they do. I'll give the cookies to someone that likes them. Pool related, I was used as the shooter for a Jerry Briesath bank clinic last year in Vegas. Jerry is a great guy, a great instructor, and I had a lot of fun. I ended up buying his DVDs to support his work and passion, even though I already had the DVDs. I gave the new set to a friend because his 12yr old is interested in learning how to play pool.

SpiderWebComm · May 29, 2020

BC21 said:
Exactly. That's my point. Pros don't need aiming instruction.

Pros are always looking for something to give them an edge. Aiming and aligning happens to be one of them. If what you said was the case, he wouldn't have as many pros currently using CTE, unpaid endorsers of the method, and becoming certified instructors. You have no idea, no clue how many top pros have been with Stan for lessons. Names you wouldn't even consider who wanted to get involved with either the aiming system itself or to see how it coordinates with what they doing to make them even stronger.

They've hit so many balls that that portion of the game is automatic. Getting to that portion consistently, however, does involve a solid psr, and that's a good plus for CTE.

NOTHING is automatic for anybody which is why slumps occur for all players whether pro or amateur. Getting sloppy, lax, or taking something for granted is a sure fire way to not operate on all cylinders. It works that way for ALL sports and why they get lessons on the fundamentals as well as the advanced stuff.

Here's a common thing also... Courteous people tend to buy things sometimes out of kindness and respect more often than necessity. Like when I see a girl scout selling cookies....I'll always walk over and see if there's anything I'd like to have. If not, I still purchase a box, any box, to support the girl scouts and the good things they do. I'll give the cookies to someone that likes them. Pool related, I was used as the shooter fora Jerry Briesath bank clinic last year in Vegas. Jerry is great guy, a great instructor, and I had a lot of fun. I ended up buying his DVDs to support his work and passion, even though I already had the DVDs. I gave the new set to a friend that who's 12yr old is interested in learning how to play pool.

Jesus Christ...you have got to be sh*tting me with the above. No wonder you aren't a professional in person instructor. First of all you aren't accredited but also completely clueless. Plus you'd also starve to death if you ever relied on it to keep you alive.

BC21 · May 29, 2020

SpiderWebComm said:
Jesus Christ...you have got to be sh*tting me with the above. No wonder you aren't a professional in person instructor. First of all you aren't accredited but also completely clueless. Plus you'd also starve to death if you ever relied on it to keep you alive.

Typical personal attack mode. :thumbup:

Some of the best lessons I've ever gotten were not from professional/accredited teachers or instructors. Being accredited or certified simply means a person satisfied the basic requirements and monetary fees required to get a piece of paper that says they are certified to teach. It certainly doesn't automatically make them a good teacher.

As far aiming, it can certainly be automatic. After you've seen enough and successfully pocketed enough shots, you don't think about it anymore, you just do it. This isn't just my non-professional or non-accredited opinion. Many top "accredited" instructors have the same opinion.

The actual brain process of pocketing a ball -- seeing the shot and knowing exactly how to hit it -- becomes intuitive with experience. But there are always obstacles or hurdles to clear in order to get aligned perfectly in tune with your aiming intuition. That's where a good psr helps, and I'd say that's the major benefit that most players, including pros, get from CTE, if they need it. They get a consistent way to approach each shot. But they can't just abandon their aiming intuition. It's a subconscious thing, where they just know when a shot looks right, from a noser perspective for almost every player.

Gerda talks about seeing the line the cb needs to travel, looking back and forth between cb and ob, ensuring that she's dialed in on that line. It's a great description of how nosers aim.....https://youtu.be/2EqQ9spSC0g?t=36m34s

You can see Stan, after he has swept into the shot, looking back and forth between cb and ob also. What is he looking at? What is he dialing into before pulling the trigger?

bbb · May 29, 2020

SpiderWebComm said:
Aren't you the guy who got royally pissed that posts were made in your thread that didn't go along with the unwritten rules you had set in your mind?

Why here in my thread? You already have one in the main forum. A PM could have worked also.

Low crossed the line
I called him out on it
I couldn’t pm the moderator so I made it public not hidden here
I find It very ( fill in the blank ) that you chose to scold me and not low

SpiderWebComm · May 29, 2020

BC21 said:
Typical personal attack mode. :thumbup:

You personally attack Stan, what he teaches and how it's taught as well as users whether pro or amateur. Is Dan White writing this for you with the INNOCENCE or just your tutor?

Some of the best lessons I've ever gotten were not from professional/accredited teachers or instructors. Being accredited or certified simply means a person satisfied the basic requirements and monetary fees required to get a piece of paper that says they are certified to teach. It certainly doesn't automatically make them a good teacher.

As far aiming, it can certainly be automatic.

Yes to a point but not for a pro players who want to stay on top when they're playing their best. The game ebbs and flows. Fundamentals always have to be revisited. Amateurs are amateurs at different levels because it isn't automatic and we don't "see" the balls the same way daily.

After you've seen enough and successfully pocketed enough shots, you don't think about it anymore, you just do it. This isn't just my non-professional or non-accredited opinion. Many top "accredited" instructors have the same opinion.

And others don't.

The actual brain process of pocketing a ball -- seeing the shot and knowing exactly how to hit it -- becomes intuitive with experience. But there are always obstacles or hurdles to clear in order to get aligned perfectly in tune with your aiming intuition. That's where a good psr helps, and I'd say that's the major benefit that most players, including pros, get from CTE, if they need it.

The PSR comes from the ENTIRE SYSTEM. Missing balls is because some part of the process has broken down and not being adhered to.

They get a consistent way to approach each shot. But they can't just abandon their aiming intuition. It's a subconscious thing, where they just know when a shot looks right.

So why are you still an amateur like all the league players all across the world not ever going to smell being a pro player except in their Walter Mitty dreams. In your case, you live in your Walter Mitty world.

Jack Nicklaus, the greatest golfer of all time, started EACH YEAR before the season started by telling his instructor Jack Grout to "teach me how to play golf". From the very basic fundamentals to the advanced. But mainly focusing on the things taken for granted as you propose because those are the areas where it all happens or falls apart. Nothing can be taken for granted as being ingrained forever and second nature in sports.

https://books.google.com/books?id=X...s started each season with jack grout&f=false

It's the same crap with you every day...around and around and around on the same boring Merry-Go-Round ride for thousands of times.

Get a life Brian.

SpiderWebComm · May 29, 2020

bbb said:
Low crossed the line
I called him out on it
I couldn’t pm the moderator so I made it public not hidden here
I find It very ( fill in the blank ) that you chose to scold me and not low

Just a dose of your own medicine. You started a new thread in the main forum. You could have done likewise here but you chose to do it in my thread which is what YOU scolded me for when I said something in YOUR thread that you didn't like.

It only applies to me but not you?

Patrick Johnson · May 29, 2020

SpiderWebComm said:
It's the same crap with you every day...around and around and around on the same boring Merry-Go-Round ride for thousands of times.

lol

Nothing ironic here.

pj
chgo

8pack · May 29, 2020

bbb said:
Low crossed the line
I called him out on it
I couldn’t pm the moderator so I made it public not hidden here
I find It very ( fill in the blank ) that you chose to scold me and not low

Daves got a agenda...cte pusher. Whats sad for him...not to many addicts here...lol.

BC21 · May 29, 2020

SpiderWebComm said:
So why are you still an amateur like all the league players all across the world not ever going to smell being a pro player except in their Walter Mitty dreams. In your case, you live in your Walter Mitty world.

Jack Nicklaus, the greatest golfer of all time, started EACH YEAR before the season started by telling his instructor Jack Grout to "teach me how to play golf". From the very basic fundamentals to the advanced. But mainly focusing on the things taken for granted as you propose because those are the areas where it all happens or falls apart. Nothing can be taken for granted as being ingrained forever and second nature in sports.

https://books.google.com/books?id=X...s started each season with jack grout&f=false

It's the same crap with you every day...around and around and around on the same boring Merry-Go-Round ride for thousands of times.

Get a life Brian.

Jack Nicklaus also said that he believes any other kid on his street where he grew up could've possibly been the next greatest golfer that ever lived, if that kid had had the same opportunities and desire as he had to play the game.

Same with pool, it takes opportunity and desire, 100% dedicated to table time. In the beginning, players have to be willing to devote all their time to the game in order to reach a professional level, and they must have access to a table, access to good instruction, and devoted practice habits. That means nothing but pool -- no wife or spouse, no kids, no non-pool-related career choices or extracurricular activities, no demanding higher education choices, etc... That's a lot of sacrifice for such a small payoff, seeing that most pro players make a living earning little more than minimum wage, if they're lucky. The rest of us just love the game, love playing it well, but will never be pro, because we do have a life outside of pool.

Anyhow, I notice that I reply to your comments with a smile on my face, sometimes even laughing out loud. You, on the other hand, based on the words you use, I suspect a lot of anger and frustration going on as you reply to me. That, Mr. Spider, shows a lack of emotional intelligence. But you can work on it if you want....

https://www.amazon.com/Emotional-Intelligence-2-0-Travis-Bradberry/dp/0974320625

Or you can buy the book, look through it, then not use any of it because you decide it's not right for you. I wonder if other readers of the book, the ones that actual benefit from it, would go into a selfhelp forum and use you as an example to help prove how beneficial the book is. Somebody might post..."Look, this guy Dave bought a copy of the book! That proves how useful it can be!" :wink:

BC21 · May 29, 2020

8pack said:
Daves got a agenda...cte pusher. Whats sad for him...not to many addicts here...lol.

Yeah, that's why it's pointless to argue. My mistake is thinking that there could actually some civil back and forth, as long as it didn't involve the actual steps or working of CTE. That's why I don't challenge or question or share my thoughts and experience with the system anymore. Apparently I should also not question or challenge silly implications or insinuations about champion players when it comes to the use of CTE.

Lesson learned. I'm a good learner. Eventually, after enough lessons, I'll know exactly what or who I am permitted to question or challenge without causing a bunch of unnecessary drama.

SpiderWebComm · May 29, 2020

BC21 said:
Yeah, that's why it's pointless to argue.

At least you acknowledge doing it.

My mistake is thinking that there could actually some civil back and forth, as long as it didn't involve the actual steps or working of CTE. That's why I don't challenge or question or share my thoughts and experience with the system anymore. Apparently I should also not question or challenge silly implications or insinuations about champion players when it comes to the use of CTE.

You're the one who comes up with the silly implications and insinuations by making them up as if the champion players are thinking or saying it.

Lesson learned. I'm a good learner. Eventually, after enough lessons, I'll know exactly what or who I am permitted to question or challenge without causing a bunch of unnecessary drama.

The remaining Fab4 would never allow it. Either you're all in to death (or a ban if necessary) but you go all the way. Just think, you only have 19 more years to go to hit 22.

8pack · May 29, 2020

BC21 said:
Yeah, that's why it's pointless to argue. My mistake is thinking that there could actually some civil back and forth, as long as it didn't involve the actual steps or working of CTE. That's why I don't challenge or question or share my thoughts and experience with the system anymore. Apparently I should also not question or challenge silly implications or insinuations about champion players when it comes to the use of CTE.

You cant argue with some of these
Lesson learned. I'm a good learner. Eventually, after enough lessons, I'll know exactly what or who I am permitted to question or challenge without causing a bunch of unnecessary drama.

A lot of these guys spend as much time at the table as they do on here..wouldn't need advice on aiming .

As far as arguing goes..you don't have enough experience to hang with these guys..lol

You keep it pretty civil Brian..them ..not to often.

SpiderWebComm · May 29, 2020

BC21 said:
Jack Nicklaus also said that he believes any other kid on his street where he grew up could've possibly been the next greatest golfer that ever lived, if that kid had had the same opportunities and desire as he had to play the game.

Same with pool, it takes opportunity and desire, 100% dedicated to table time. In the beginning, players have to be willing to devote all their time to the game in order to reach a professional level.

Not true at all for either. All bodies are not created equal. There's natural hand/eye coordination, speed, strength, balance, agility, will to win, killer instinct, etc. Everyone doesn't get blessed with those attributes at birth or develop it later.

I've seen young teenage kids living in a pool room practicing and playing. When they got older they were still living in the same pool room. Sometimes the best of the lot in the same pool room but not pros or close to it. A lot of reasons why not.

They didn't learn correctly and ingrained bad habits or just didn't have it physically, intellectually, or coordinated enough.

BC21 · May 29, 2020

SpiderWebComm said:
The remaining Fab4 would never allow it. Either you're all in to death (or a ban if necessary) but you go all the way. Just think, you only have 19 more years to go to hit 22.

I don't think so Spiderman. I can't imagine being that dedicated to pointlessness. When I'm not here posting I don't think one bit about any of this. I don't watch much tv at all, so this is sort of my daily entertainment, a couple of hours total reading posts and making comments in between whatever whatever I happen to be doing. This and tictoc videos. Lol

SpiderWebComm · May 29, 2020

BC21 said:
I don't think so Spiderman. I can't imagine being that dedicated to pointlessness. When I'm not here posting I don't think one bit about any of this. I don't watch much tv at all, so this is sort of my daily entertainment, a couple of hours total reading posts and making comments in between whatever whatever I happen to be doing. This and tictoc videos. Lol

What is tictoc videos? Sounds more exciting than this. Does it beat porn videos?

BC21 · May 29, 2020

SpiderWebComm said:
Not true at all for either. All bodies are not created equal. There's natural hand/eye coordination, speed, strength, balance, agility, will to win, killer instinct, etc. Everyone doesn't get blessed with those attributes at birth or develop it later.

I've seen young teenage kids living in a pool room practicing and playing. When they got older they were still living in the same pool room. Sometimes the best of the lot in the same pool room but not pros or close to it. A lot of reasons why not.

They didn't learn correctly and ingrained bad habits or just didn't have it physically, intellectually, or coordinated enough.

You're right, not everyone can be the best or even very good at something.

What Jack Nicklaus was saying is very true though. Take a kid who grows up with a mom or dad that's a really great pool player, and he gets into playing because there has been a table in the house since the day he was born, and he's always felt drawn to it. By the time he's 5 or 6 he's running balls and beating grown men at the game. He gets a thrill out of it, which makes him wanna play more. His dad takes him to poolhalls, to a pro instructors, buys him books and DVDs, etc... The kid has opportunity and passion and dedication. There could very likely be several kids on the same street that would also have the passion and dedication for the game. But they don't have parent who happen to be into pool, no pool table, no pool knowledge or interest at all, and therefore no opportunity for the kids to get started. That was Jack Nicklaus's point.

SpiderWebComm · May 29, 2020

BC21 said:
You're right, not everyone can be the best or even very good at something.

What Jack Nicklaus was saying is very true though. Take a kid who grows up with a mom or dad that's a really great pool player, and he gets into playing because there has been a table in the house since the day he was born, and he's always felt drawn to it. By the time he's 5 or 6 he's running balls and beating grown men at the game. He gets a thrill out of it, which makes him wanna play more. His dad takes him to poolhalls, to a pro instructors, buys him books and DVDs, etc... The kid has opportunity and passion and dedication. There could very likely be several kids on the same street that would also have the passion and dedication for the game. But they don't have parent who happen to be into pool, no pool table, no pool knowledge or interest at all, and therefore no opportunity for the kids to get started.

How many children of professional male pool players or professional female pool players ever made it in pool? I can' think of any right off the top of my head. Although if the parents were caring enough, they wouldn't have led them into professional pool or gambling since there isn't enough money to spread around for a real secure long term future.

Jack Nicklaus had a couple of sons who tried as they might with his genes and great instruction from childhood but they never made it on tour. Jack had a lot more money than his father did also. His father was a pharmacist and owned a drug store. Jack has mucho millions to spend for his kids.

Only a couple of kids of pro golfers ever made it into the pros but never as good as their pappy.

That was Jack Nicklaus's point.

I think it was Jack Nicklaus being humble about his accomplishments, skill level, and records throughout his amateur and professional career to give hope to youth and parents.

The exact opposite of Cassius Clay. (later Muhammed Ali) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9CeC3yrcG4

BC21 · May 29, 2020

SpiderWebComm said:
What is tictoc videos? Sounds more exciting than this. Does it beat porn videos?

Oh hell...my daughter got me on it. It's TikTok, an app where people make quick video clips, 1min maximum length. Some are super funny, some are super sexy. Of the funny ones, this guy is my favorite....He dubs in his own commentary for sports scenes...(you may have to have the tiktok app to watch it)....

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Very addictive stuff.

SpiderWebComm · May 29, 2020

BC21 said:
Oh hell...my daughter got me on it. It's TikTok, an app where people make quick video clips, 1min maximum length. Some are super funny, some are super sexy. Of the funny ones, this guy is my favorite....He dubs in his own commentary for sports scenes...(you may have to have the tiktok app to watch it)....

https://vm.tiktok.com/Km2XTh/

Very addictive stuff.

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