Don't worry, we're not talking about masks and toilet papers.
The story behind the Jackot cues
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Don't worry, we're not talking about masks and toilet papers.
You are supposed to sell the "lookers" and keep the "players", don't you know?
Why did people sell their Scruggs sneaky pete and cry later ?
The cue business will NEVER be bad enough that these cues hold their "value" unless Dean, Jack, and Schmelke find a cure for cancer, rob banks together, or commit a Manson style Murder. Anybody see that happening?
I like Dean and his posts I just dont agree with this event.
Cant win em all i guess
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Boy, this Forum is turning into a bucket of blood joint.
Dean has been promoting pool, the game we all love
or supposedly so, with passion, sincerity and at times,
even a sense of flair. I participated in 2 Schon Tribute
cue projects, the Bushka I and Bushka II projects with
Jerry R. and Bob Owen, and the Design Your Own Cue
project also with Bob. Speaking personally, each project
was entirely fun, exciting and all of the pool cues turned
out wonderful. I’d do it again in a heartbeat but for the
ivory ban but that’s a horse of an entirely different color.
Dean has also ingenuously come up with the Mystery Cue
offerings and to the best of my recollection, the buyers seem
to be pleased. I don’t see complaints about the cues that the
buyers received. Additionally, there weren’t issues with the many
tribute cue projects either and the buyers were all pleased. I know
that I am thrilled, even actually proud of the pool cues I still have.
Dean came forth & offered an explanation furnishing the background
behind these Jackpot SP cues and for the price, no one is making a
bundle nor getting screwed. Furthermore, the sale proceeds were for
a significantly important, urgent need. So now people with lots of time
on their hands and little better to do want to criticize a really decent
guy all the while Dean’s many former customers remain silent and
unsupportive. Well, not this one & I enjoy reading his threads & posts.
As far as I’m concerned, the Az community is better off because of people
like Dean Campbell and his long history & vast experience with pool, cues,
cue-makers, leather craftsmen, pool table restoration.....the list seems endless.
Matt B.
Dean has been promoting pool, the game we all love
or supposedly so, with passion, sincerity and at times,
even a sense of flair. I participated in 2 Schon Tribute
cue projects, the Bushka I and Bushka II projects with
Jerry R. and Bob Owen, and the Design Your Own Cue
project also with Bob. Speaking personally, each project
was entirely fun, exciting and all of the pool cues turned
out wonderful. I’d do it again in a heartbeat but for the
ivory ban but that’s a horse of an entirely different color.
Dean has also ingenuously come up with the Mystery Cue
offerings and to the best of my recollection, the buyers seem
to be pleased. I don’t see complaints about the cues that the
buyers received. Additionally, there weren’t issues with the many
tribute cue projects either and the buyers were all pleased. I know
that I am thrilled, even actually proud of the pool cues I still have.
Dean came forth & offered an explanation furnishing the background
behind these Jackpot SP cues and for the price, no one is making a
bundle nor getting screwed. Furthermore, the sale proceeds were for
a significantly important, urgent need. So now people with lots of time
on their hands and little better to do want to criticize a really decent
guy all the while Dean’s many former customers remain silent and
unsupportive. Well, not this one & I enjoy reading his threads & posts.
As far as I’m concerned, the Az community is better off because of people
like Dean Campbell and his long history & vast experience with pool, cues,
cue-makers, leather craftsmen, pool table restoration.....the list seems endless.
Matt B.
When they found out they had the Schmelke version.
You are presuming everyone loves the hit of the cue.
You're brutal.
People who got those TS for $250 or less new and could not resist the temptation of a few dollar profit are kicking themselves now.
Then again I sold my Judd ebony cue and sneaky pete too when I went back to school.
I don't know. Tell us. I've seen a couple of them go around and around over here, changing hands and I've tried them and could have picked them up relatively cheap.
They didn't play as good as this cue or I would have picked one of them up, when they were for sale.
You get what you pay for, ... if you are lucky!
I didn't have my lathe set up and I had long been curious how some cues were sold so cheap so I bought a Schmelke. Tried a 32" shaft, it was simply unplayable. Made my old moochie seem like a piece of iron pipe! I whacked a couple inches off of the shaft and put a top quality ferrule and tip on it and it played OK, I like a soft hit anyway.
After I had it for months I lightly bumped the shaft against something and my cue broke half in two! Easy to see the problem, the shaft wasn't threaded for the insert. A hole was cut just small enough that the threads of the insert barely scored the wood. A small dab of glue finished the fit of insert to shaft.
Tossed the shaft, it was now garbage. When I turned my own shaft I put an insert for a G-10 pin. When I pulled the pin out of the butt I found it was a very cheap pin made from threaded stock and only about 3/4" long in the butt.
For my hundred and I think sixty-five dollars I ended up with a very thin one piece bocate butt and a cheap rubber bumper. Not sure if it stayed straight or not.
This is my one experience with Schmelke. I have no idea if it is typical or not but what looks good for two days, and seems good months and years later can definitely be two different things. Oddly enough, with Dean saying fit and finish might be a little lacking, outside appearance seemed to be Schmelke's strong points looking at my very plain cue.
I hope happy people stay happy. I didn't feel too bad about getting $35 worth of wood for the price of a cheap cue, I would feel like a world class pigeon if I had paid five hundred dollars for what I got.
I do have to wonder how many would have paid $500 for a jackpot if they knew in advance it was made by Schmelke?
Hu
I didn't have my lathe set up and I had long been curious how some cues were sold so cheap so I bought a Schmelke. Tried a 32" shaft, it was simply unplayable. Made my old moochie seem like a piece of iron pipe! I whacked a couple inches off of the shaft and put a top quality ferrule and tip on it and it played OK, I like a soft hit anyway.
After I had it for months I lightly bumped the shaft against something and my cue broke half in two! Easy to see the problem, the shaft wasn't threaded for the insert. A hole was cut just small enough that the threads of the insert barely scored the wood. A small dab of glue finished the fit of insert to shaft.
Tossed the shaft, it was now garbage. When I turned my own shaft I put an insert for a G-10 pin. When I pulled the pin out of the butt I found it was a very cheap pin made from threaded stock and only about 3/4" long in the butt.
For my hundred and I think sixty-five dollars I ended up with a very thin one piece bocate butt and a cheap rubber bumper. Not sure if it stayed straight or not.
This is my one experience with Schmelke. I have no idea if it is typical or not but what looks good for two days, and seems good months and years later can definitely be two different things. Oddly enough, with Dean saying fit and finish might be a little lacking, outside appearance seemed to be Schmelke's strong points looking at my very plain cue.
I hope happy people stay happy. I didn't feel too bad about getting $35 worth of wood for the price of a cheap cue, I would feel like a world class pigeon if I had paid five hundred dollars for what I got.
I do have to wonder how many would have paid $500 for a jackpot if they knew in advance it was made by Schmelke?
Hu
You can build a 1,000 bridges but.....
That is the situation here.
Dean stepped in it on this one.
Dean as a whole(99.999%) is great to have on this forum, he would have been much better off just letting this one go.
Jason<---glad he didnt buy one of these cues, but still likes Dean.
Way to go Cocobolo Cowboy.......I overlooked your post and it is great to see one of Dean’s customers
stand tall against the mob reactions. To each their own but ad hominem attacks are juvenile & verboten.
stand tall against the mob reactions. To each their own but ad hominem attacks are juvenile & verboten.
Things happen.
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This thread is about this particular adventure. Sometimes swell people make bad choices.Well most people, like 100% are happy dealing with DEAN.
Sent from the future.
whats a jackot cue and where is this coming from? any pics of the cues?
I found a jackpot cue on google, plain jane, is that it?
https://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=504540&page=2
edit: ok, I did some research, and it seems to me that a snake salesman took a dozen people for a ride. $100 cue and sold it for $500, made a quick $5K profit on what others saw as a guy with a 100% itrader score. he ruined his rep and killed his business for a quick profit. schmelke is apparently a better cue maker than the reputation they have as a cheap alternative for a custom. people thought they had a better product simply from a name change. all parties involved are dumb, the salesman and the buyer. the only person to come out ahead is schmelke, as they make a pretty good cue after all, if they put a different name on it the cue gets better, lol. I bet they could make a southwest clone, and they would play like a southwest
I found a jackpot cue on google, plain jane, is that it?
https://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=504540&page=2
edit: ok, I did some research, and it seems to me that a snake salesman took a dozen people for a ride. $100 cue and sold it for $500, made a quick $5K profit on what others saw as a guy with a 100% itrader score. he ruined his rep and killed his business for a quick profit. schmelke is apparently a better cue maker than the reputation they have as a cheap alternative for a custom. people thought they had a better product simply from a name change. all parties involved are dumb, the salesman and the buyer. the only person to come out ahead is schmelke, as they make a pretty good cue after all, if they put a different name on it the cue gets better, lol. I bet they could make a southwest clone, and they would play like a southwest
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Well the Potter need timeline is definitely in question here.
Maybe Dean would like to come forward and disclose how much money he paid Jack Potter to use his name?
Actually to make it as clear as Gin, I have both been customer of Deans, and also seller to Dean. As both buyer, and seller both parties were happy with mutual transactions.
Hope you get my point better now, as I want to clearify my experience. That is all I was talking my opinion based upon my experience!
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