Renegade said:i think if efren will commit to play sponsors will come. but then again, who would want to play against him in rotation? maybe it's a bad idea after all.....
Renegade said:Let's all play rotation -- a way better game than 7-, 9-, or 10-ball! Eight ball is fine, too, but I think rotation should be the game of choice of serious poo players. Now if only someone would sponsor the tournament.....
chefjeff said:The problem with rotation games is shot selection is pretty much taken out of the equation. This, imho, takes the most fun out of playing or watching the game.
Jeff Livingston
ceebee said:I like playing "Short Rack 8-Ball'
(4 stripes, 4 solids & the 8 ball-racked like 9 Ball)
This is a brutal game. You can make it more difficult by requiring the players to shoot their chosen group of balls in rotational order. You might even add the "Last Pocket" requirement for the 8-Ball
Try this game. It is lots of fun. It is also a great gambling game. The break shot is extremely imporatant in this game
ceebee said:I like playing "Short Rack 8-Ball'
(4 stripes, 4 solids & the 8 ball-racked like 9 Ball)
This is a brutal game. You can make it more difficult by requiring the players to shoot their chosen group of balls in rotational order. You might even add the "Last Pocket" requirement for the 8-Ball
Try this game. It is lots of fun. It is also a great gambling game. The break shot is extremely imporatant in this game
fxskater said:Damn that sounds like a sweet game. Short rack eightball played in rotation. I'm gonna have to give that one a try. Easy to handicap too. I run mine in rotation you run yours hoowerver you want. Not as many blocking balls, etc. I'm gonna play this one with my girlfriend and see how it goes. GREAT GAME CHARLIE.
LastTwo said:Antonio Lining plays Efren rotation even, and he wins sometimes.
sniper said:I heard the same is true with Lee Van Corteza, but we all know that in the long run Efren will come out ahead.
Williebetmore said:Sniper,
No, we all don't know that (at least I don't). Rotation is just another stupid "rotation" game, just a few (?) more balls. When the last 2 balls count 10 times more than the first 2, the chance for luck to rear its ugly head is maximized. This is the same reason Efren doesn't even come close to winning every tournament. This is the same reason Earl and Efren (and probably any of the top 20 or 30 players would do the same) came out even when playing the "Color of Money" series - 9-ball does NOT let the best player always win, it gives all the really good players an equal chance - coin flipping would be just as meaningful among these players. Rotation games are a great exhibition of skill, but a terrible way to differentiate good players. Give us straight pool to 300 or 500 and we might have the same winner every week. A nice dynasty would be good for pool (I think).
I agree with you 100%!Williebetmore said:Sniper,
No, we all don't know that (at least I don't). Rotation is just another stupid "rotation" game, just a few (?) more balls. When the last 2 balls count 10 times more than the first 2, the chance for luck to rear its ugly head is maximized. This is the same reason Efren doesn't even come close to winning every tournament. This is the same reason Earl and Efren (and probably any of the top 20 or 30 players would do the same) came out even when playing the "Color of Money" series - 9-ball does NOT let the best player always win, it gives all the really good players an equal chance - coin flipping would be just as meaningful among these players. Rotation games are a great exhibition of skill, but a terrible way to differentiate good players. Give us straight pool to 300 or 500 and we might have the same winner every week. A nice dynasty would be good for pool (I think).
sjm said:Agree with you about rotation, but the one thing we disagree on is the need for a long straight pool race to get the cream to rise to the top. When 14.1 is played on tight equipment, a race to 150, as evidenced by the results of the world championships in the golden age of straight pool, is plenty long enough to ensure that the cream will rise to the top.
fxskater said:I think races to 150 would become extinct if players really focused on 14.1. Running 150 is an amazing feat but i bet you more pros could run 150 in straight pool than a race to 9 in 9 ball. Maybe im wrong but i like 300 points too.
sjm said:When 14.1 is played on tight equipment, a race to 150, as evidenced by the results of the world championships in the golden age of straight pool, is plenty long enough to ensure that the cream will rise to the top.
Williebetmore said:I'm not sure if I've told you the story (perhaps apocryphal since it came from the degenerate pool players from KC that hung around with Mosconi when he lived there): Several times before championship matches, Mosconi felt the need to sharpen his safety game (they report that he did not feel ANY need to improve his offensive skill, it was always at the highest level). He would play one of these guys a game of straight pool to 1000. He would always insist on spotting them 900 balls (these guys claim to have been 100 ball runners). In this fashion, he still had to generate the offense, but absolutely could not try the low percentage "flyers" for which he was renowned, and had to play absolutely lockup safeties when he ran out of offense; missing was out of the question. Even these guys (possibly the most accomplished braggarts the world has yet known) could not recall ever beating Mosconi in one of these safety matches.