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well thought and well executed. i would have spent ages trying to calculate some 6 rail escape or something, would never have thought of that.

I don't think he was trying to do that. It looks like he was just trying to 2-rail it back to the green for the hit. Sometimes we give more credit for shots than should be. Sometimes even the pros get lucky too. I could be wrong.

Great shot! I don't know all the rules of snooker, what do you mean Ronnie exercised his right to have the balls reset?

if your opponent fouls you can choose to play on yourself from where the balls have finished, or you can choose to have the balls reset and have him play the shot again. obviously in this case the best thing to do was just let maguire take it again, because it was so difficult to get out of. meaning ronnie was likely to pick up a few points from maguire fouling.

this can be key in winning a frame sometimes - it's not unusual for a player to undo all their hard work in making a high run by failing to get out of a tight snooker a few times, and giving away penalty points to your opponent.

a lot of the time a player will sacrifice a few points to make sure he gets the escape just right. for example if he's trying to play off one rail by the side pocket and just nestle the white into the reds (because he's snookered directly), he may not reach them on his first try. better to fall short and concede four points than to overdo it and break all the reds open for your opponent.

sometimes the replacement of balls can be a farce though. when a referee has to replace a whole bunch of scattered balls without being able see a proper picture, relying on talking to the commentators.

TX Poolnut said:

I don't think he was trying to do that. It looks like he was just trying to 2-rail it back to the green for the hit. Sometimes we give more credit for shots than should be. Sometimes even the pros get lucky too. I could be wrong.

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TX........With all due respect to Boro Nut, I think you are exactly right - there was room to go two rails and thin the green, and I believe that was what he was attempting to do - all of us one pocket players have shot that same safety a million times.

Boro Nut said:

No there wasn't. You can't get under the pink and up far enough to hit the green from where he plays the shot - almost square to the cushion. The pink isn't in the centre of the table. And listen to the commentators Willie Thorne and Dennis Taylor discussing his first attempt - which we all saw. He almost pulled it off first time. We all knew what he was trying then, as did they.

Boro Nut

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Well, you didn't say "with all due respect" to me, as I addressed you, soooo, I'll just say....You're wrong.....Go back and watch the video and pause it at the 22 second point as I did, and it's quite obvious that there's enough room behind the pink to rebound off of the bottom rail and then thin the green.....and as for the commentators, well, of course they prefer for there to be drama/excitement and a fantastic shot executed - hence, the visual bias.

worriedbeef said:

...sometimes the replacement of balls can be a farce though. when a referee has to replace a whole bunch of scattered balls without being able see a proper picture, relying on talking to the commentators.

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It's like replacing the object ball on an accidental touch in pool, sometimes your opponent will try to take advantage of the situation. At least you have a neutral ref trying to do it in these big events.

How is it done in non officiated matches? Who replaces the ball(s)?

1 Pocket Ghost said:

TX........With all due respect to Boro Nut, I think you are exactly right - there was room to go two rails and thin the green, and I believe that was what he was attempting to do - all of us one pocket players have shot that same safety a million times.

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I am going with Boro here...

The announcers are clearly discussing the exact shot he pulled off in attempt number 2.

That was a tremendous shot hit with perfect speed.

Ronnie had to be going nuts.

It's like replacing the object ball on an accidental touch in pool, sometimes your opponent will try to take advantage of the situation. At least you have a neutral ref trying to do it in these big events.

How is it done in non officiated matches? Who replaces the ball(s)?

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to be honest i've never seen the situation come up personally in a non officiated match. however there is traditionally a higher regard on honesty, and calling your own fouls etc in snooker than in pool, so usually players just resolve a problem together with no trouble.

Now hold on a minute!

worriedbeef said:

to be honest i've never seen the situation come up personally in a non officiated match. however there is traditionally a higher regard on honesty, and calling your own fouls etc in snooker than in pool, so usually players just resolve a problem together with no trouble.

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I call fouls on myself, but I get your point.

Boro Nut said:

With all due respect - you are wrong.

Boro Nut

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I'm not one to go on arguing an opinion back and forth - I don't have the energy for it, nor the inclination. So I'll just say...

Cheers, Have a Nice Day, Ghost

I play a lot of Golf on snooker tables (specifically Riley's which I believe that table was). The use of pocket jaws to go up rails is used quite often. You just brush the adjacent rail to the pocket which puts just a little induced outside spin on the ball. This along with just missing the point of where the pocket accepts the ball causes it to go 3,5 or more pocket rails and up the other side. Done it and have seen it done full width of the table and made hits on balls you could otherwise never get to.

I'm with Boro and I have no doubt this is what he tried. I'm sure if you polled 100 snooker players 90 plus would agree with him.

Nick