Joshua Filler … Psyops?

haystj

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It was done in the Final match of a major tournament held in Los Angeles in 1971 or 1972. Fred Whelan produced the event for several years in a row and all the top players came out to play in it. I was there!

From Lou's wikipedia page:

His nickname, "Machine Gun Lou", derives from his stunning the crowd and fellow competitors by running 150-and-out in straight pool in 21 minutes against Allen Hopkins in 1973.[1]
In 1973, he won his first World Championship. Lou earned his famous nickname that same year when, in an exhibition with Allen Hopkins, he ran 150 straight balls in just 21 minutes.
 

J SCHWARZ

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Why bother moving it if it dosnt distract you. If you are already focused on the run at hand, why distract your self by stopping your thought process to move something that wont affect your runout anyway. Dont think its an in your face move, he most likely dosnt move it while playing alone, so why boyher if you have an opponent?
 

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In these heady days of conspiracy theories … well, here’s my contribution:

Leaving the rack on the table was an in-your-face gesture to Aranas. A mental middle-finger to an opponent. “I’m so superior that even physical distractions can’t … um, distract me.”

Sunny


Not all dots should be connected.
 

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garczar

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It was done in the Final match of a major tournament held in Los Angeles in 1971 or 1972. Fred Whelan produced the event for several years in a row and all the top players came out to play in it. I was there!
I just did a little digging and based on what i found Lou didn't win one of Whalen's events. They had four: Ed Kelley one the fist one in '69, Crane won in '70-'72 and Ray Martin won in '71. Lou was runner-up in '72. It was held at what was the Elks Club now the MacArthur Park Hotel.
 

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I watched some of the Quarantine 10-Ball Match between Filler and James Aranas. What a spanking! When Filler hits a certain gear, it’s like he can’t race around the table fast enough to get to the next shot.

I was watching an old straight pool vid....
"One of the commentators stated the same thing about Willie Mosconi-
"Once Willie got in stroke,
he would practically be running around the table to shoot"
I sure would like to see some OLD Mosconi vids :smile:

I saw Willie run 185 in an exhibition in NJ, and he was in continual motion, only stopping to shoot the next shot. He just knew where the cueball would be and would "run" there to meet it. Beautiful to watch-

-dj
 

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I just did a little digging and based on what i found Lou didn't win one of Whalen's events. They had four: Ed Kelley one the fist one in '69, Crane won in '70-'72 and Ray Martin won in '71. Lou was runner-up in '72. It was held at what was the Elks Club now the MacArthur Park Hotel.

It may not have been in the Finals, but it definitely was during the tournament. I just put a call in to Allen Hopkins. He will remember better than me. I was a referee at that tournament for the last two years. It may have happened in the 1971 event that Ray Martin won, but I still think it was the year that Lou finished second. I'm going to do some digging myself.
 
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I just did a little digging and based on what i found Lou didn't win one of Whalen's events. They had four: Ed Kelley one the fist one in '69, Crane won in '70-'72 and Ray Martin won in '71. Lou was runner-up in '72. It was held at what was the Elks Club now the MacArthur Park Hotel.

Looks like your info might have come from this thread on OnePocket.org: http://onepocket.org/forum/index.php?threads/fred-whalen.2317/

I thought Jay might like to read it and see if he agrees with what is there.

[It's also possible that Lou won super-fast matches like that more than once.]
 

SamShaddey

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I watched most if not all of that set. I may have fallen asleep a few racks! But I do remember on one rack towards the end of the rack Fuller had to play a touchy shot by the magic rack or what ever you want to call it. He did take the time to move it then. So I would say its safe to say he’s only going to move it if he feels its going to be a problem.

With that being said my personal feeling is if your going to use one you should remove directly after the break. Because I’ve personally seen both cueball and object ball affected by the rack. It’s not a lot but this is a game where a fraction of an inch makes a world of a difference. So personally I remove it.
 

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Looks like your info might have come from this thread on OnePocket.org: http://onepocket.org/forum/index.php?threads/fred-whalen.2317/

I thought Jay might like to read it and see if he agrees with what is there.

[It's also possible that Lou won super-fast matches like that more than once.]

Thanks for this. I knew Fred Whalen well, even visited him at his mansion on Franklin Ave. in East Hollywood. He was a many time California state champion at Straight Pool. He made a lot of money in the casino business using large ships that he took six miles off shore where gambling was legal. I knew about his son Jack, who got ambushed in 1959. They say he was the toughest guy in L.A. and never carried a gun. He was not part of the gangster clan and they hated him for that. They shot him up in a phone booth one night. There is no way out!

I think that Fred's tournaments continued in 1973 and 1974, and were held at the American Legion Hall in Hollywood. They were Straight Pool and 9-Ball. I saw all the top hustlers out here back then. I think Lou Butera won the Straight Pool at one of these events and that may have been the one where he ran the 150 on Allen. I will find out. I'm trying to get hold of Sal Butera also. I know I was at the tournament where the 21 minute match happened, just can't remember what year.
 

garczar

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Thanks for this. I knew Fred Whalen well, even visited him at his mansion on Franklin Ave. in East Hollywood. He was a many time California state champion at Straight Pool. He made a lot of money in the casino business using large ships that he took six miles off shore where gambling was legal. I knew about his son Jack, who got ambushed in 1959. They say he was the toughest guy in L.A. and never carried a gun. He was not part of the gangster clan and they hated him for that. They shot him up in a phone booth one night. There is no way out!

I think that Fred's tournaments continued in 1973 and 1974, and were held at the American Legion Hall in Hollywood. They were Straight Pool and 9-Ball. I saw all the top hustlers out here back then. I think Lou Butera won the Straight Pool at one of these events and that may have been the one where he ran the 150 on Allen. I will find out. I'm trying to get hold of Sal Butera also. I know I was at the tournament where the 21 minute match happened, just can't remember what year.
I found a flyer to the one in '71. It was advertised as the "Three in One". They played 14.1,9b and 1p. https://www.ebay.com/itm/World-Cham...rQcz%2FENI%3D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc Apparently that Whalen cat was a pretty interesting guy. Led one fairly exciting life. Too bad about his kid.
 
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Talking about fast pool players, Jayson Shaw defeated Brian Deska 9-0 in about 20 minutes in the Final Match of the 2015 Ginky Memorial at Steinway Billiards.
Winner break format, of course.
What was most remarkable to me was that the match was played on a drop pocket table, so Jayson had to run around the table and gather all the balls before he racked them!
Today, Jayson still plays fast, but not as fast as he did five years ago.
 

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I found a flyer to the one in '71. It was advertised as the "Three in One". They played 14.1,9b and 1p. https://www.ebay.com/itm/World-Cham...rQcz%2FENI%3D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc Apparently that Whalen cat was a pretty interesting guy. Led one fairly exciting life. Too bad about his kid.

Okay I got the scoop. It happened in 1973 in the Whalen produced tourney won by Lou Butera at the American Legion Hall in Hollywood. 150 and out in 21 minutes against Allen Hopkins. The write up was in the L.A. Times.
 

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joshua shoots almost every ball hard, so the template doesn't affect the balls. some players likes to smash, some like to roll. what bothers me most are the black templates, they are visually disturbing atleast for me.
 

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Talking about fast pool players, Jayson Shaw defeated Brian Deska 9-0 in about 20 minutes in the Final Match of the 2015 Ginky Memorial at Steinway Billiards.
Winner break format, of course.
What was most remarkable to me was that the match was played on a drop pocket table, so Jayson had to run around the table and gather all the balls before he racked them!
Today, Jayson still plays fast, but not as fast as he did five years ago.

Brian is one cool dude and a real good player.

That's gonna be his pool legacy?

Hahhahahah
 

jrctherake

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I know lots and lots of players that leave the template on table and almost never remove it.

BTW, I'm one of them.

Jeff
 

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joshua shoots almost every ball hard, so the template doesn't affect the balls. some players likes to smash, some like to roll. what bothers me most are the black templates, they are visually disturbing atleast for me.

^^^^^^^ very true!!!

I use more stun stroke shots and that in itself will cause the ball to be airborne more ofren and for a bit longer.

Good catch...

Jeff
 

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Okay I got the scoop. It happened in 1973 in the Whalen produced tourney won by Lou Butera at the American Legion Hall in Hollywood. 150 and out in 21 minutes against Allen Hopkins. The write up was in the L.A. Times.

Jay,

I remember that. I'll never forget how impressed I was at how he moved around the table so fast, yet with deadly accuracy.

I feel sorry for the younger people that never got to see things like that.

All most youngsters know are what they are told. It's a true shame they can't knkw from first hand experience.

^^^^^^^^ is a double edged sword Jay. We seen things they didn't but, most of them will see things you and I will not.

To bad we can't live a longer life span.

Hey Jay, just imagine how strong some of the greats would have been if they'd had a life span of 120+ years of vibrant health?

I know it sounds stupid but, just imagine, because we all know that knowledge acquired over time coupled with ability is what make a LEGEND.

Jeff
 

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Talking about fast pool players, Jayson Shaw defeated Brian Deska 9-0 in about 20 minutes in the Final Match of the 2015 Ginky Memorial at Steinway Billiards.
Winner break format, of course.
What was most remarkable to me was that the match was played on a drop pocket table, so Jayson had to run around the table and gather all the balls before he racked them!
Today, Jayson still plays fast, but not as fast as he did five years ago.

Are you thinking of some other match? That 2015 Ginky Memorial final match was won 11-4 by Shaw in about 66 minutes, and it was a ball-return table: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOEODjKDTw8

One of Shaw's real speedy matches was his 9-1 win over Immonen in the semifinal match at Turning Stone XXIII (Jan. 2015) in about 23 minutes. But that table also had ball returns. (And Mika conceded after scratching on the break in Game 10.)
 
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