Of course its absurd. But in the PC world we live in, anything is possible.
Transgender's in Women's Pool League
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Of course its absurd. But in the PC world we live in, anything is possible.
This ENTIRE thread should be deleted. This lady is full of shit.
Please delete!
Trent
Please delete!
Trent
Of course the OP is, but it doesn't mean the topic shouldn't be discussed.
Apparently I have not understood the meaning of the word bully my entire life. I've seen nothing in this thread that even remotely resembles what I consider bullying and yet it's come up in about 4 threads recently.
You can't just throw those words out every time a discussion doesn't go the way you immagined.
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The topic at hand is, should transgender men be
allowed to play against biological women?
If it is a handicapped format does it even matter?
If it is non-handicapped, the only open women vs.
women format I know of is the WPBA and
they have a set of rules that apply to
such a situation.
Can anyone name an amateur league that
is women only without handicapping involved
and has no rules addressing this issue?
I think so
. Maybe she read my FargoRate thread in the test area and was a bit ‘on edge’ due to possible allegiance issues.Well, my answer is obviously no, or yes and forfeit any prize money, but still mostly no. The OP hasn't addressed a single real world concern so even if they are telling some form of truth...WHO CARES? Normal people would have moved on from a situation or if they really are angry..they name names. The victim seems to be protecting the victimizers (bullys) and remember if it doesn't make sense...it ain't true, and none of this makes any sense.
Legally you can stand by the the definition of "woman" and deny any male born into female born competitions, and vice versa. The Olympic committee is going through this process now and will eventually have all transgenders rightfully classed (which 99% of them want anyways, just a few trouble makers here and there).
Maybe, but maybe not though. In any case the topic itself is interesting on a few levels.
That's not a pool issue, or a "MAN" issue. That's a personal issue that revolves more around you backing someone into a corner over your beliefs. To complain we have our own beliefs and that is not fair is a double-standard.
Now you swapped genders here. You said your husband and now your husband is a she. So I'm a little lost but for the sake of the actual topic let's skip over that.
Is the issue here that you or your partner lost to someone who is trans-gender and you think that is unfair? Or is it that the idea of trans-gender is one you're not comfortable with?
Either way here's a short version of a long topic:
Your brain is a biological computer bathed in a chemical solution of hormones, nutrients, proteins, and other compounds. It is called, "plastic", in that it can actually change shape and rewire itself to suit the environment it is in, overcome damage, or learn new skills. (There is a Nova documentary on the shape aspect, I believe it is called, "How smart can we get?")
Now on the issue of sex (rather than gender), your brain is pre-wired to be better at some things than others. That's where those hormones come in. So in a very general sense males are better with spatial reasoning and females are far better at communication. Through a lot of patience, time, and effort, you can actually learn to become better at some of those traits you might not have been given at birth.
Certainly there are great male authors, teachers, and lecturers. There are females who excel at sporting endeavors and hand-eye coordination. These are general traits and it is not absolute in which areas a male or female will excel. Of course, we are also capable of learning new skills and in so doing can shift what we excel at. You can in fact learn to become a surgeon and handle a scalpel with incredible dexterity despite being female. There is nothing that prevents it other than education and practice.
In the world of pool there are far more male players than female. That comes from our past as a race where women were thought less of because they were not hunter-gatherer's. There are female players out there who are great masters of the game though. Men have the advantage of spatial reasoning, of muscular strength, and of hand-eye coordination. We think better in patterns that involve math and physics from birth. But ... women can do the same things. Just as well.
No one is born with a cue in their hand. We all have to learn to play. To walk and talk. It all takes practice. Time. Effort.
There is nothing that prevents you, as a female, from being the best, no matter whom you are playing. If someone in your league is trans-gender they don't simply get a free pass to win. I have taught many women to play better and have never run into an issue that prevented them from winning because they have different genitalia.
What I have found is that women who have never entered that kind of arena before don't already have those neural pathways created in their brains and therefore it takes them more practice, more time, and more effort. Why? Because they have to first build the circuits that show them the patterns. That teach them the physics. That allow them to, "feel", shot speed. Then they have to learn the game, the shots, safeties, and so on, and so forth.
But no matter what, there is nothing that will prevent a female from winning.
ACS state tournaments are strictly divided up by men and woman. Woman singles, woman team, senior woman, Jack and Jill division.... errr, Jack and Jack now
ACS state tournaments are strictly divided up by men and woman. Woman singles, woman team, senior woman, Jack and Jill division.... errr, Jack and Jack now
As far as I can tell ACS uses the WPA ruleset.
The WPA rules say that they go by the IOC rules
in this matter.
ACS also has upper/ lower divisions
Masters/AA
A/B
Etc.
Which would constitute handicapping.
Scotch Doubles teams must
be one man and one woman
as per ACS website.
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Throwing the Baby Out with the Bath Water
Ever since the introduction of Fargo Rate, there has been this theme of getting rid of divisions that are divided by gender. The underlying assumption behind this push -- is that the playing field between men and women is level. So why really separate a man with a FR of 500 from a woman with the same rating?
Well, what if the woman who is a FR 500 -- has spent her entire life playing and working on her game, while the man she is playing picked up a cue last year?
This idea that men and women are on an equal footing at pool is just an opinion at this point. Now, my opinion is the opposite and it's just an opinion too, but the evidence from every other sport points toward men having innate advantages when it comes to eye-hand coordination. So at this point, I see no valid reason to force women to play against men.
Sometimes in our attempts at being egalitarian we end up making things worse for women and that's the direction we are headed in many areas, but hopefully not with pool.
ACS state tournaments are strictly divided up by men and woman. Woman singles, woman team, senior woman, Jack and Jill division.... errr, Jack and Jack now
Ever since the introduction of Fargo Rate, there has been this theme of getting rid of divisions that are divided by gender. The underlying assumption behind this push -- is that the playing field between men and women is level. So why really separate a man with a FR of 500 from a woman with the same rating?
Well, what if the woman who is a FR 500 -- has spent her entire life playing and working on her game, while the man she is playing picked up a cue last year?
This idea that men and women are on an equal footing at pool is just an opinion at this point. Now, my opinion is the opposite and it's just an opinion too, but the evidence from every other sport points toward men having innate advantages when it comes to eye-hand coordination. So at this point, I see no valid reason to force women to play against men.
Sometimes in our attempts at being egalitarian we end up making things worse for women and that's the direction we are headed in many areas, but hopefully not with pool.
Perhaps the league names could be changed from Mens and Womens.
To 'with c#cks' and 'c#ckless'.
Then someone would need to go a bit further than just putting on a wig and dress :grin::wink:
Well, what if?
When they play, it will be at even races, and each of them should win 50% of the time. Seems fair to me, what's the issue? He's obviously a quicker study than her, so 6 months from now he'll be spotting her, which will also be fair.
Just some generalization here...women almost never use an apostrophe when there’s no need for it. Transgener’s in...
But this has been fun and interesting
But this has been fun and interesting
I wouldn't touch this poll with a 10ft pole ..
You got something against Poles, buddy?
In my opinion::
If the trans person has started taking the drugs to make the breasts grow so
If the trans person dresses or acts like a male, then