All the valid explanations notwithstanding about what happened, this was
chilly. Wow, what a roll. Although I think he realized he shouldn't have
been near the pocket in the first place. Still.....chilly. :frown:
Will Prout
Hohmann loses to Ko because of the Cyclop balls
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All the valid explanations notwithstanding about what happened, this was
chilly. Wow, what a roll. Although I think he realized he shouldn't have
been near the pocket in the first place. Still.....chilly. :frown:
Will Prout
With the Cyclop balls that roll-off is pretty known to be intermittent.
No one can really explain it.
Seems to be related to perfect speed at the perfect rotation axis and then it happens.
That's a huge relief.
If you look at the initial path of the ball he was headed to the diamond to the left the pocket where it ended.
Would have been a perfect shot.
I've seen that cue ball dance way too many times on streams.
One in particular was that round robin tournament at the Rio Hotel.
The Centennial balls do not get any complaints.
The Pro Cup and Cyclops, get complaints.
The red dot cue ball has always been the favorite among the pros afaik.
Even Efren told me he liked that opaque cue ball.
How about get behind cyclops and diamond and share their feedback.
Given the incredible quality of the diamond table (which set the standard) and believe me some of the earlier iterations like the tables used at qlympics were absolutely horrible.
Diamond fixed it because that is what they do.
I hear a lot of whining about it but very little science behind it. I personally own a set of both pro cup TV balls and the newest revision (zeus) of the cyclops balls. The cyclops balls are definitely different in some positive and negative ways (they slide more because the ball is harder) but they stay cleaner longer. A little more spring for sure.
The why is what we are missing. Bob's point is right on. I would rather see an engineer review this problem than a somewhat superstitious and biased group of pool players.
The harder surface could certainly cause more glide at low speed and could bring out rolls in the table itself more. On the other hand this is just a difference and not an actual problem with the product itself.
Given the incredible quality of the diamond table (which set the standard) and believe me some of the earlier iterations like the tables used at qlympics were absolutely horrible.
Diamond fixed it because that is what they do.
I hear a lot of whining about it but very little science behind it. I personally own a set of both pro cup TV balls and the newest revision (zeus) of the cyclops balls. The cyclops balls are definitely different in some positive and negative ways (they slide more because the ball is harder) but they stay cleaner longer. A little more spring for sure.
The why is what we are missing. Bob's point is right on. I would rather see an engineer review this problem than a somewhat superstitious and biased group of pool players.
The harder surface could certainly cause more glide at low speed and could bring out rolls in the table itself more. On the other hand this is just a difference and not an actual problem with the product itself.
Cyclops built a new Cue ball recently
I just bought and received 6 new Cyclops Cue balls and am currently trying them out...they have been available for awhile but I just found out about them...my original Cyclops Cue balls never curved but I witnessed many that did...the new ball has one big red dot similar in size to the dots on the measle..... Cyclops like Diamond is dedicated to continuing to make equipment better and better..,.call Diamond and order the new ball.....
Gordon Graham
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I just bought and received 6 new Cyclops Cue balls and am currently trying them out...they have been available for awhile but I just found out about them...my original Cyclops Cue balls never curved but I witnessed many that did...the new ball has one big red dot similar in size to the dots on the measle..... Cyclops like Diamond is dedicated to continuing to make equipment better and better..,.call Diamond and order the new ball.....
Gordon Graham
Seattle
425-275-8255
OK -- Now we have a mystery, a riddle if you will ... I enjoy these type of things.
There is only one possible explanation for the inconsistent roll off of the ball in question.
Given, as stated by others in this thread, the ball measures and weighs correctly.
So ... This can only be explained by inconsistent density within the ball it's self.
Apparently the resin used to make the ball was perhaps not mixed completely?
Perhaps the resin and accelerator separate during the curing process?
Perhaps curing accelerated by heat caused the variance in density contained by the ball?
Perhaps the mixture was contaminated by foreign matter?
Perhaps the resin and or accelerator used was defective from the manufacturer?
What I am saying is that internally, within the ball, there are areas that weigh more, due to greater density, compared to areas of equal physical measurement within the sphere.
In short these balls, or at lest some of them, just plain suck.
Good rolls. (pun intended)
There is only one possible explanation for the inconsistent roll off of the ball in question.
Given, as stated by others in this thread, the ball measures and weighs correctly.
So ... This can only be explained by inconsistent density within the ball it's self.
Apparently the resin used to make the ball was perhaps not mixed completely?
Perhaps the resin and accelerator separate during the curing process?
Perhaps curing accelerated by heat caused the variance in density contained by the ball?
Perhaps the mixture was contaminated by foreign matter?
Perhaps the resin and or accelerator used was defective from the manufacturer?
What I am saying is that internally, within the ball, there are areas that weigh more, due to greater density, compared to areas of equal physical measurement within the sphere.
In short these balls, or at lest some of them, just plain suck.
Good rolls. (pun intended)
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I don´t want to bash any balls on market...
but I lost tight match at Derby this year due Cyclop roll off. It was against Shannon Daulton. Score was 7-7 long and I had to shoot long rolling safety shot and cueball rolled off just before it hit the object ball. Ball came for easy straight in shot for Daulton because of that.
Just my 2 cents. I noticed a lot strange rolls may other times too but they might be because of table.
but I lost tight match at Derby this year due Cyclop roll off. It was against Shannon Daulton. Score was 7-7 long and I had to shoot long rolling safety shot and cueball rolled off just before it hit the object ball. Ball came for easy straight in shot for Daulton because of that.
Just my 2 cents. I noticed a lot strange rolls may other times too but they might be because of table.
You are a smarter man than I.
Hohmann tried the same path later without roll-off.
Hohmann tried the same path after that rack without roll-off.
There is only one possible explanation ... read my post on page two.
Case solved - this was an easy one.
This has been experienced on numerous different tables. The common denominator is the cue ball.
Nice to see you posting, Lou.
The ball can have all "diameters" equal but still be non-spherical, so it is hard to show that something that is close to a sphere is actually a sphere. I think it is sufficient to show that every orientation has the same circular maximum boundary, but I'm not sure.
Here is a 2-dimensional shape (a Reuleaux Triangle) that has a constant width but is not circular:
There are similar shapes for 3 dimensions (a near-sphere).
Yes, Bob -- you are correct and stating a true fact.
However, one of our members stated in this thread, that he mic'd the ball and found it to be a sphere. Now certainly he could of been mistaken, and if he was, what you are proposing could certainly be the root cause.
I suppose without getting my hands on that cue ball I can not be certain of the cause.
But, if in fact it is a sphere, then I think, I have to be correct in surmising inconsistent density to be the culprit.
Nice post, by the way.
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