If I had cues made to my specs, then would it be fair to say that I made them?
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I don't remember how identity notation works (not going to look it up), but:
physical:fabrications:0rigin -> virtual:works:author
Is this what you're looking for? But what I was describing was if somewhere in that chain was an unknown, because if it's all known, then the respective pieces are to be attributed to the make (or "made" in this case).
Like I mentioned before though, I'd surely research what the word "made" means in this context before using it. Me personally I'd never use it in this context as it's clearly deceptive according to the commonly agreed upon usage, and looking at the quote I posted before, it is in clear contrast to even how the FTC themselves perceive its usage (which has strong foreshadowing).
You guys realize you are arguing with Justin (animatedvmaker), right?
Thread from a couple days ago under this user name.
https://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=510455
Older threads under his original name.
https://forums.azbilliards.com/showpost.php?p=5908636&postcount=52
https://forums.azbilliards.com/showpost.php?p=5908636&postcount=52
It took me a little while, but the mention of Carbondale did it.
I originally thought he was Poolfan101 also, kind of a 2 names-hedge his bets kind of thing. Still not positive one way or the other there. But this one has been identified.
Youre welcome!
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Thread from a couple days ago under this user name.
https://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=510455
Older threads under his original name.
https://forums.azbilliards.com/showpost.php?p=5908636&postcount=52
https://forums.azbilliards.com/showpost.php?p=5908636&postcount=52
It took me a little while, but the mention of Carbondale did it.
I originally thought he was Poolfan101 also, kind of a 2 names-hedge his bets kind of thing. Still not positive one way or the other there. But this one has been identified.
Youre welcome!
:wink2:
I am wearing a Swiss Army watch.
It says "Swiss Made" on the face.
The works are made, or put together, in China as a licensed Chinese copy of a Japanese Seiko works.
The leather band is made in China.
Is my watch a Swiss made Swiss Army watch?
It was bought from the legit Swiss Army Company.
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Don't the Victorinox watches use Swiss ETA movements? My TAG has ETA movement and it wasn't made in China.
Off topic: I read this in Reader's Digest in the 80's, prices are 80's prices (I think these were pocket watches).
There used to be a man who lived in Switzerland who made 3 to 5 watches a year. He charged $250,000 per watch at a quantity of 3. Notice the "3 to 5". He always was willing to make 3 at $250,000, and if someone wanted another, then 1 more at $500,000 and then the 5th was $1,000,000. The man made 5 watches a year for the last 25 years (as the article read in the 80's).
As you guys can see there are several examples from industry to cue making,home building
Whether you like it or not I talked with many big names in pool and everyone thought i was doing right no one suggested anything was underhanded. Everyone i talked to took it for granted that this was such a common practice .
I am sure this will cause hundreds of the same old stating of previous other opinions
For example no one raises an eye brow when I have talked about making the Deano cues,
fact was i never touched the lathe or raw wood,but no one has ever said i didn't make them
Everyone knew Jack made the Libra cues,but he didn't do the labor
My neighboor is an old man who builds houses,he never touched a hammer,yet only a fool would argue he was deceitful.
Way back around 2 017 when jack and i got started talking we said Jack would be using outside labor.
Even this is not necessary
I can see why others might disagree,but they are going too far to say that it was deception
Think about it, I could easily have sold these as mystery cues, why would I go to the trouble to deceive.
My only point is, even if you don't like me or anything about this, does that necessarily mean deception
again the customers are still happy and bought at least half the cues knowing i was using schmelke
I know its no fun to think or give the other guy the benefit of the doubt.
12 years and no complaints, should at lest make you think
Guys like freddie agreeing with me inspite of the fact that their good friends are on the other side
Don't you think it just might be possible, that i might not be a crook
the buyer do or at least did,who can sand firm under this onslaught
i will now let the 10 or so angry men rave on
I think they are 100% afraid to just leave this statement for cooler heads to consider
just consider, who will be first to remove this time fo rconsideration
The person on the wrong side of an argument can never let his opponent have time to state his opinion and allow people to think
he needs to cover up reason with chatter
Whether you like it or not I talked with many big names in pool and everyone thought i was doing right no one suggested anything was underhanded. Everyone i talked to took it for granted that this was such a common practice .
I am sure this will cause hundreds of the same old stating of previous other opinions
For example no one raises an eye brow when I have talked about making the Deano cues,
fact was i never touched the lathe or raw wood,but no one has ever said i didn't make them
Everyone knew Jack made the Libra cues,but he didn't do the labor
My neighboor is an old man who builds houses,he never touched a hammer,yet only a fool would argue he was deceitful.
Way back around 2 017 when jack and i got started talking we said Jack would be using outside labor.
Even this is not necessary
I can see why others might disagree,but they are going too far to say that it was deception
Think about it, I could easily have sold these as mystery cues, why would I go to the trouble to deceive.
My only point is, even if you don't like me or anything about this, does that necessarily mean deception
again the customers are still happy and bought at least half the cues knowing i was using schmelke
I know its no fun to think or give the other guy the benefit of the doubt.
12 years and no complaints, should at lest make you think
Guys like freddie agreeing with me inspite of the fact that their good friends are on the other side
Don't you think it just might be possible, that i might not be a crook
the buyer do or at least did,who can sand firm under this onslaught
i will now let the 10 or so angry men rave on
I think they are 100% afraid to just leave this statement for cooler heads to consider
just consider, who will be first to remove this time fo rconsideration
The person on the wrong side of an argument can never let his opponent have time to state his opinion and allow people to think
he needs to cover up reason with chatter
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And BTW, you lied about who made the cues. Then you charged approximately 150% OVER retail for your troubles as a nice old guy.
Consider that.
The whole world is crooked, everything we buy is built to fall apart on a given day, Usually 1 day after the warranty expires, why should pool be the beacon of light in the darkness.
I wish it were, but pool has had a bad reputation ever since Dump Rhines first threw a match, and probably because every time a fresh face comes in the door , the bottom feeders line up to take off chunks of soft meat.
No new tricks for Dean.
This would have solved everything:
To My friends at AZ Billiards,
I wish to apologize if I have misled you in the marketing of Jackpot cues. I was trying to build a brand with the help of my friend, Jack Potter. Jack gave suggestions and input, but the cues were built by Schmelke, not Jack Potter as I had represented.
I am disappointed in myself and embarrassed that I got carried away in the sales process and misrepresented his involvement. I wanted the project to be successful. I let that ambition cloud my judgement. I take great pride in my cue projects and tend to judge my worth by their success and my customer satisfaction. For that I am asking you for another chance.
If anybody would like to return their cue for a full refund, I will pay return shipping. I promise to be more forthcoming in the future.
Sincerely,
Dean Campbell
And we would have all been eating out of your hands...
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A while back, I wanted a shaft made for one of my cues and then I decided to go ahead and have a whole cue made that would match the dimensions of another cue I had and I could use the shaft on more than one cue.
I bought the MOST EXPENSIVE 4-prong blank that Schmelke sold...purple heart into an ebony front.
I also had David pick the BEST shaft he could find (they called them something like "select" and you paid extra for them).
I told them what tip.
I told them what ferrule and length..
I told them what butt cap and how long.
I told them what pin..
I told them what collars.
I told them the taper.
I told them the shaft diameter.
I told them the diameter of the joint.
I told them the balance point.
I told them the diameter at the beginning of the wrap.
I told them the diameter at the end of the wrap.
I told them the diameter at the butt cap.
I told them the weight.
I told them the type of wrap.
Other than adding some sort of "bling", how much more could I have customized it?
None of the specs were what Schmelke sold as "stock" production cues.
Was that a Schmelke mass-production cue or a custom cue?
https://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=447538&highlight=ebony+purple+heart
I bought the MOST EXPENSIVE 4-prong blank that Schmelke sold...purple heart into an ebony front.
I also had David pick the BEST shaft he could find (they called them something like "select" and you paid extra for them).
I told them what tip.
I told them what ferrule and length..
I told them what butt cap and how long.
I told them what pin..
I told them what collars.
I told them the taper.
I told them the shaft diameter.
I told them the diameter of the joint.
I told them the balance point.
I told them the diameter at the beginning of the wrap.
I told them the diameter at the end of the wrap.
I told them the diameter at the butt cap.
I told them the weight.
I told them the type of wrap.
Other than adding some sort of "bling", how much more could I have customized it?
None of the specs were what Schmelke sold as "stock" production cues.
Was that a Schmelke mass-production cue or a custom cue?
https://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=447538&highlight=ebony+purple+heart
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You can clear that one up with a dictionary. Conceived by Hawaiian Eye, built by Schmelke.
This reminds me of kit stuff. When was the last time you heard somebody claim they _assembled_ their prized creations?
Private labeling in manufacturing is done all the time. Pool is probably no different, and I am sure there is a table manufacturer or two, that do this as well.
Or if the cuemaker has a helper and he, the helper, does 90% of the work.. did you still get a cue by that cuemaker?
Pool has bigger issues than splitting hairs over private labeling.
JV
Or if the cuemaker has a helper and he, the helper, does 90% of the work.. did you still get a cue by that cuemaker?
Pool has bigger issues than splitting hairs over private labeling.
JV
And not once in that thread did you say or imply you were building the cue yourself, the exact opposite of how Dean played it, in fact you were forthcoming that Schmekle built it, again the opposite of Dean.
I see you are taking a page out of Sofla's how to be a bot book...
And what did you pay for that cue with all that customization, I'v seen a few people ask in these threads but no response from you, so how much was it?????
And when you sold that Schmekle, did you advertise as built by you, of course not!
Also, if you had advertised yourself as the maker with threads like this below where you are asking about how "your" specs will work, https://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=447538 you would have been laughed off the forum saying you had built it.
Notice how in the ask the cuemaker section you don't say that you were building it, cause well that would have been funny, and if you are a cue maker you would likely know some of the stuff you were asking about.
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Can't believe anyone would want to be remembered in the same category as Bob Weir, but that's what I'll remember folks that do this type of stuff, people out to make a buck off the gullible. As the old saying goes a fool and his money are soon parted.
Talk about shitting on your own legacy.