Fargo Ratings thoughts

onepocketron said:

How bout this? You have a core team of 5 very strong players on a team. Before league starts (BCA) they pick up 4 more guys on the roster. The 5 core guys are going to Vegas, the 4 they put on the roster before league started are not.



During the league year, the 4 picked up are constantly being rotated in so that only 1 or 2 of the core team plays each week. This allows the core 5 to get less wins, play less games, and keep their ratings at a much lower rate than if they had played like most teams, playing the core of the team most often, and only playing the alternates when needed.



When they go to Vegas, their true speed is much higher than their rating. For instance they may now stay in gold, where if they would have played all year together, their true ratings would have put them into platinum.



The other thing as I understand it, is that none of the scores from the BCA tourney last summer were put into the system. I don't understand why not, as this would truly give you an excellent idea of the true speed of most players. There ain't no sand bagging or alternating lesser players in for this thing.

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onepocketron said:

How bout this? You have a core team of 5 very strong players on a team. Before league starts (BCA) they pick up 4 more guys on the roster. The 5 core guys are going to Vegas, the 4 they put on the roster before league started are not.

During the league year, the 4 picked up are constantly being rotated in so that only 1 or 2 of the core team plays each week. This allows the core 5 to get less wins, play less games, and keep their ratings at a much lower rate than if they had played like most teams, playing the core of the team most often, and only playing the alternates when needed.

When they go to Vegas, their true speed is much higher than their rating. For instance they may now stay in gold, where if they would have played all year together, their true ratings would have put them into platinum.

The other thing as I understand it, is that none of the scores from the BCA tourney last summer were put into the system. I don't understand why not, as this would truly give you an excellent idea of the true speed of most players. There ain't no sand bagging or alternating lesser players in for this thing.

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Icon of Sin said:

I never claimed to be a naming expert at all. I'm just saying that the name seems like it applied to something that is proprietary to Fargo and as someone not from Fargo, I would assume people not from Fargo the first thing they thing of is the movie and the accents.

Now like I said, I'm not a naming expert by any sense of the word, but if I was naming something that is related to an activity, I would want the name of it to either be related to said activity or have no meaning at all attached to it. Frankly, I think putting the word "rate" in the name is a great idea, but the first half being named after a town that is no way a hub for pool/billiards is just odd to me. Here are 2 examples of what I am saying:

1. OBcues. To this day I still don't know what OB stands for but I know it is a brand that was created for pool products as that is now what I associate the letters OB with. In the case of Fargo, I still associate it with a town in ND and a very successful and brilliant movie. The letters OB could have no conotation with pool but they also had no connotation with anything else before coming to pool.

2. Not being a naming expert I'm going to come up with one off the top of my head that will help with what I was saying with linking it to said activity. BilliardRate. Now it is definitely not a gem or clever or anything else like that by any means, nor would I ever expect FargoRate to be renamed to this and I'm sure that when you were thinking of names for your rating system that BilliardRate was probably one of the ones you thought off using as it is completely unimaginative and uninventive... however... what I see the name the first thing I thing of is Pool/Billiards and that this thing rates things in that activity, whether it is items, players, whatever...

I'm not bashing your system. I find it interesting really. I just think if you want to be taken seriously all around you are goingto need to come up with a better name. Let's say ESPN were broadcasting pool (I know this is a stretch so far) and they wanted to talk about a players skill... do you think they would be more apt to use a name like "BilliardRate" or "FargoRate" when talking about an official pool player rating system.

I'm a regular poster at Jimbo's forum and I have given him shit for the name of the site there. Traffic is slow there, but with the name JimboArmy, no one thinks of it as a pool website at all.

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Cardigan Kid said:

The last thing you want is to mention something on air which creates a question that requires precious airtime to answer. "Fargo rate" creates that question "why fargo" whereas, for example, "IBR" or "international billiard rating" keeps the discussion on topic of the number statistic not the name. Also, an acronym is always catchy in sports talk. The acronym for fargo rating would be FR. When someone asks what does that mean, the answer then leads to another question. The acronym IBR, when told what it stands for, is self explanatory.

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billiardthought said:

Precious air time? Are you sensationalizing this a bit? This isn't a football game. We are talking about pool. We have to pay people to fill the time with something because it's hard enough to watch on it's own. I don't think anyone is complaining when they have to be explained fargo rate for all of 13 seconds.

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sbpoolleague said:

Software? What software?

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Cardigan Kid said:

Haha touche - you have a point, maybe I was being a bit sensational (maybe more hopeful that pro pool could be there someday)
I was speaking in terms of how the executives view programmed air time. They want to see more Mitch Laurence mentioning a paid advertiser of some sort instead of explanations of what does fargo mean, or what is a push out.

In terms of marketing, you would have to agree, IBR is catchy?
Or IPR....whatever it is, it belongs up there with RBIs and QBR

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billiardthought said:

IBR - explain that to me - ok it's international billiard rating - ok I understand what that is



FargoRate - explain that to me - ok it's a billiard rating system - ok I understand what that is

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billiardthought said:

IBR - explain that to me - ok it's international billiard rating - ok I understand what that is

FargoRate - explain that to me - ok it's a billiard rating system - ok I understand what that is

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Cardigan Kid said:

Reply to answer #1 "ok got it"
Reply to answer #2 "why is it called fargo?"

Hence the point of this thread.

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robsnotes4u said:

Why is a Hershey bar what it is?


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Cardigan Kid said:

Reply to answer #1 "ok got it"
Reply to answer #2 "why is it called fargo?"

Hence the point of icon's point in this thread.

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robsnotes4u said:

Which match is it?

I have seen the odds of winning change but not the FargoRate.


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Bob Jewett said:

The FargoRate numbers do not change. What is changing is the calculated percentage chance of each player winning the match given the current score.

The FargoRates could be roughly recalculated after each game but they would usually move less than a point for a well-established player and to do a full calculation would not be possible.

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