Whats this Mike Sigel IPT "best-ever" crap

Oranzith

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Very frustrating to watch the IPT 8-ball king of the hill on TV and have him, without fail, call himself the best ever 2 or 3 times per episode - when in reality there are several that march in front of him.


And the fact that everyone in the boat buys into it. sigh. long live mike sigel as the best ever in the publics eye :mad:
 

ironman

AzB Silver Member
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Oranzith said:
Very frustrating to watch the IPT 8-ball king of the hill on TV and have him, without fail, call himself the best ever 2 or 3 times per episode - when in reality there are several that march in front of him.


And the fact that everyone in the boat buys into it. sigh. long live mike sigel as the best ever in the publics eye :mad:

Who marches in front of him?
 

dacue

AzB Silver Member
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I agree who? Mr. Sigel in his prime was the best pool player ever to screw a cue together!
dacue
 

Jimmy M.

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Oranzith said:
Very frustrating to watch the IPT 8-ball king of the hill on TV and have him, without fail, call himself the best ever 2 or 3 times per episode - when in reality there are several that march in front of him.


And the fact that everyone in the boat buys into it. sigh. long live mike sigel as the best ever in the publics eye :mad:

It's all part of his character. He's supposed to be "the bad guy" that everyone loves to hate. Apparently he's playing his character pretty well. :)
 

Hal

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I'm sure KT has asked him to talk a little smack. After all he is King of the Hill until someone de-throwns him.
 

JAM

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Hal said:
I'm sure KT has asked him to talk a little smack. After all he is King of the Hill until someone de-throwns him.

I agree that Mike Sigel is hamming it up for the cameras to promote the competitive spirit.

I'm long in the tooth compared to most who post on AzBilliards, and I've gotta say that Mike Sigel was top banana on the American pool tournament trail. If you were to review the pool media from the '70s to the '90s, Mike Sigel is on the cover of most of them.

Though Earl Strickland, Allen Hopkins, Nick Varner, Jim Rempe, and Buddy Hall were right up there with Mike Sigel during this time span, you can't take it away from him that, competing in tournaments, Mike Sigel was very dominating. He seemed to excel in a tournament setting.

Of course, as Gabe Owen says, that was then and this is now! It will be interesting to see how well Mike Sigel does perform in Vegas this month. It is important to remember that Mike Sigel did retire from playing pool professionally. Thanks to the IPT, he has come out of retirement and is playing again.

In days gone by, it was a very American tournament trail, not much going on internationally. Today, it is a very international tournament trail, now that the Filipinos, of course, and the Germans have entered the fray.

We are all members of the Tribal Nation of Pool, but dag nab it, on this 4th of July holiday, I'd like to see an American player rise to the top. Can it be Johnny Archer, Dennis Hatch, or a relatively unknown American player? Who knows, but I'll be staying tuned. Win or lose, the trip is going to be very fun, and the players, for the first time in the history of the "sport," will be playing real pool, with real rules, and REAL MONEY.

JAM
 

PROG8R

Gator Nation
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JAM said:
I agree that Mike Sigel is hamming it up for the cameras to promote the competitive spirit.

I'm long in the tooth compared to most who post on AzBilliards, and I've gotta say that Mike Sigel was top banana on the American pool tournament trail. If you were to review the pool media from the '70s to the '90s, Mike Sigel is on the cover of most of them.

Though Earl Strickland, Allen Hopkins, Nick Varner, Jim Rempe, and Buddy Hall were right up there with Mike Sigel during this time span, you can't take it away from him that, competing in tournaments, Mike Sigel was very dominating. He seemed to excel in a tournament setting.

Of course, as Gabe Owen says, that was then and this is now! It will be interesting to see how well Mike Sigel does perform in Vegas this month. It is important to remember that Mike Sigel did retire from playing pool professionally. Thanks to the IPT, he has come out of retirement and is playing again.

In days gone by, it was a very American tournament trail, not much going on internationally. Today, it is a very international tournament trail, now that the Filipinos, of course, and the Germans have entered the fray.

We are all members of the Tribal Nation of Pool, but dag nab it, on this 4th of July holiday, I'd like to see an American player rise to the top. Can it be Johnny Archer, Dennis Hatch, or a relatively unknown American player? Who knows, but I'll be staying tuned. Win or lose, the trip is going to be very fun, and the players, for the first time in the history of the "sport," will be playing real pool, with real rules, and REAL MONEY.

JAM

These were some of the best for sure, Strickland probably has the most tourney wins and top 5's of that list, but when Mike was in his prime, they could not match him or his accomplishments. I think the problem is that when he was a pool god, most people that are competitors now were either not born yet, or they were just comming out of diapers. I think that in this era; Efren is the closest thing to the type of dominance that Mike used to have. And in 25 to 30 years when there is a whole truck load of new pros they will see Efren playing and they might react the same as people are now towards Mike (exept that Mike is a bit Mouthy (HENCE THE NICKNAME)).
 

PoolSleuth

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Hal said:
I'm sure KT has asked him to talk a little smack. After all he is King of the Hill until someone de-throwns him.

Its called HYPE, and HYPE sell Stuff, like the Words New, Improved, Bigger, Longer, or BEST ETC...:)
 

JAM

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PROG8R said:
These were some of the best for sure, Strickland probably has the most tourney wins and top 5's of that list, but when Mike was in his prime, they could not match him or his accomplishments.

I agree, at least as it pertains to the accomplishments on the American tournament trail. There was no international tournament trail to speak of, IMHO.

PROG8R said:
I think the problem is that when he was a pool god, most people that are competitors now were either not born yet, or they were just comming out of diapers. I think that in this era; Efren is the closest thing to the type of dominance that Mike used to have. And in 25 to 30 years when there is a whole truck load of new pros they will see Efren playing and they might react the same as people are now towards Mike...

Again, I agree. It's a time warp and sometimes a regional thingie. It's like reading some of the "Who's the Best" threads. Many of the responders state the BEST is someone from their neck of the woods, a young up-and-coming player, for example, when sometimes they have not been exposed to other newbie champions, for lack of a better term. :eek:

Pool faves are cyclical in nature, and they come in waves. I have no idea how good Wimpy played. I have never seen him -- [I don't think] -- in my life. However, if you were to ask someone who had seen Wimpy play when Wimpy was hitting 'em, they could fill your ear with a lot of niceties. :D

And then there's the equipment change. With the advent of pool's state-of-the-art technology, to include jump cues, break cues, Simonis cloth, Aramith balls, and the pristine tables, the playing field has changed somewhat, IMHO. It is difficult to compare Willie Mosconi's caliber of play, which occurred in his era on different equipment, to a young whipper-snapper of today who's playing on fast cloth, jumping balls like a mule, and breaking with sticks called "Sledgehammers." [I like Sledgehammers, and I'm not knocking them.] :p

Personally, some of the BEST pool I have ever experienced, up front and close, is action games. It's amazing how some of these action game players pull a shot out of their bag of tricks and execute it successfully in the heat of the battle. Tournaments can be pressure pits as well, but action games sometimes allow one to really witness the heart of a genuine champion.

Gone are the days of action players, though. Today, players are becoming tournament soldiers, hoping they will be able to showcase their skill sets in an environment which is commensurate with their God-given talent and dedication to pool.

Some champions can't hack the lifestyle and leave. This pool is a rich man's high, and without mentioning the infamous three-letter acronym, I hope it's going to change for the better. If it happens, we may all be entering the final frontier where pool will be regarded, at least here in the United States of America, as a legitimate sport.

JAM
 

JAM

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PROG8R said:
...the same as people are now towards Mike (exept that Mike is a bit Mouthy (HENCE THE NICKNAME)).

If anybody has ever had the opportunity to speak with Mike Sigel, he is kind of mouthy. I think he's actually quite intelligent, an his mind seems to be racing 100 miles an hour at all times. You can almost hear him thinking.

Somebody told me of a happening many years ago when Mike Sigel, Larry Lisciotti, and Jimmy Reid were in the same room, all three speaking to each other simultaneously in the same conversation; in unison, if you will, for an extended period of time. I wish I had a videotape of that! :D

JAM
 

Southpaw

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Lets not forget that Sigel did win 4 or 5 U.S Open 9 ball events as well as numerous straight pool events. I mean, the guy was one of the best in the world at one time, and still is no slouch! He has always had a big ego and pointing out his own abilities has always been his style. And, he was the shot choriographer for the movie "The Color of Money" just as Mosconni was for "The Hustler" .

Southpaw
 

PROG8R

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JAM said:
If anybody has ever had the opportunity to speak with Mike Sigel, he is kind of mouthy. I think he's actually quite intelligent, an his mind seems to be racing 100 miles an hour at all times. You can almost hear him thinking.

Somebody told me of a happening many years ago when Mike Sigel, Larry Lisciotti, and Jimmy Reid were in the same room, all three speaking to each other simultaneously in the same conversation; in unison, if you will, for an extended period of time. I wish I had a videotape of that! :D

JAM

I think that would have caused that CARSICK feeling in my gut!! I believe I might burn that tape if I had it. LOL but I can believe it. I have talked to Mike many times and I can tell you he puts a high price on his name.
 

Voodoo Daddy

One Pocket 101
JAM said:
Somebody told me of a happening many years ago when Mike Sigel, Larry Lisciotti, and Jimmy Reid were in the same room, all three speaking to each other simultaneously in the same conversation; in unison, if you will, for an extended period of time. I wish I had a videotape of that! :D

JAM


If there were plants in that room. they woulda died from lack of oxygen:D !! I have a good friend that told me Larry once said "take me to the super bowl and before the start of the fourth quarter I'll have spoken to EVERYONE" ...lol
 

ironman

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Granted, it may make you sick at your stomach, but, it is working.
The man has been accused of a lot things over the years, but, being dumb, ain't one of them. Mike, Ms. Lee, and Earl have promoted themselves pretty well.
 

StraightPoolIU

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When one watches the IPT if you have half a brain you can get a sense that some of the things that Mike Sigel says about himself is tounge in cheek. For example, he'll say "Welll I'm still the best." Then they will show Mike giving a rye smile and Matt Vasgerian will say something like "That's what we thought you'd say." I mean that part of it is obviously somewhat contrived. However, as I was watching it again last night if you get past the put-on parts his commentary is actually quite insightful imo.
 

zeeder

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Voodoo Daddy said:
If there were plants in that room. they woulda died from lack of oxygen:D !! I have a good friend that told me Larry once said "take me to the super bowl and before the start of the fourth quarter I'll have spoken to EVERYONE" ...lol

Actually, the plants in the room would have thrived since "The Mouth" was putting out lots of carbon dioxide. Plants take in carbon dioxide and put out oxygen and people take in oxygen and put out carbon dioxide. Sorry, as a biochemistry student I had to put in my $.02...lol.
 

Cane

AzB Silver Member
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Story...

I was playing in a tourney in Memphis last weekend and talked to a IPT Player, Hall of Famer, whom I won't name. We talked about Mike and he told a joke that had everyone in tears.

He said at Earl's HOF induction, many of the players got up and gave speeches.

He said...

" I got up and said a few words, got a little choked up and shed a few tears.

Nick Varner got up, said a few words, got choked up and shed a few tears.

Jimmy Rempe got up, spoke, got choked up and shed a few tears.

Mike got up and couldn't talk about himself, so he shed a few tears..."

Later,
Bob
 

Voodoo Daddy

One Pocket 101
zeeder said:
Actually, the plants in the room would have thrived since "The Mouth" was putting out lots of carbon dioxide. Plants take in carbon dioxide and put out oxygen and people take in oxygen and put out carbon dioxide. Sorry, as a biochemistry student I had to put in my $.02...lol.

Someone has to study it...just remember...too much of a good things is bad for ya as well.:rolleyes:
 
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