Now if somebody propositions you with one of these shots, you can "turn the tables" on them.Fun stuff! I have learned to never take a proposition bet in a pool hall. Thanks for the confirmation. But now I know how some are done.
Regards,
Dave
Now if somebody propositions you with one of these shots, you can "turn the tables" on them.Fun stuff! I have learned to never take a proposition bet in a pool hall. Thanks for the confirmation. But now I know how some are done.
I tried the shot some more today along this line with the full hit, and I couldn't get it to work on my table. If I hit it a hair too full, the CB double-kissed the ball immediately. If I hit it a little too thin, the CB double kissed the ball off the side rail. When I avoided the double kisses, the OB banked short (probably as a result of a double kiss too difficult to see). I also tried different amounts of side, follow, and speed.Here's the video frame showing the CB/OB contact with the undercut (indicated by the after-contact CB path).
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I'm still not entirely sure the video you posted didn't kiss - the video frames (below) might show the CB changing course slightly as it passes the 2... too blurry to be sure.I tried the shot some more today along this line with the full hit, and I couldn't get it to work on my table. If I hit it a hair too full, the CB double-kissed the ball immediately. If I hit it a little too thin, the CB double kissed the ball off the side rail. When I avoided the double kisses, the OB banked short (probably as a result of a double kiss too difficult to see). I also tried different amounts of side, follow, and speed.
Maybe that's why the shot is so tough, because the timing and amount of the kiss need to be near perfect for both the banked ball and CB to react properly.I'm still not entirely sure the video you posted didn't kiss - the video frames (below) might show the CB changing course slightly as it passes the 2... too blurry to be sure.
It looks like there's room for the CB to go closer to the end rail with more inside spin......maybe on some tables, at some angle, some speed, and some amount of spin, the bank and kick will go without the double kiss.
I managed to do it about the same as in the linked video. The object ball passes first. On the table I was playing on, the cushion returned the cue ball too quickly, so I moved the OBs away from the pocket a little and adjusted the ball nearest the pocket out a little to keep the bank on. Plain follow and fairly thin on the banked ball.... If you get it to work, please post a video.
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Thanks for the info. That’s a lot of “fiddling.”I managed to do it about the same as in the linked video. The object ball passes first. On the table I was playing on, the cushion returned the cue ball too quickly, so I moved the OBs away from the pocket a little and adjusted the ball nearest the pocket out a little to keep the bank on. Plain follow and fairly thin on the banked ball.
The cue ball was coming from about the second diamond as in the video.
Remember, the CB still needs to kick across the table to pocket the 9 (while avoiding the rail balls and the points on the opposite corner).It looks like there's room for the CB to go closer to the end rail with more inside spin...
Maybe there is a location for the cue ball and a fullness of hit that avoids the kiss for the nominal position. I was only willing to spend 40 minutes or so trying to find a combination of factors that would work:Thanks for the info. That’s a lot of “fiddling.”
It sounds like you couldn’t avoid the kiss either (without the ball fiddling).
Regards,
Dave
FYI, Tim Chin just posted a video of the shot, using a steeper angle to help avoid the double kiss.Has anybody else tried the challenge shot? If so, were you able to pocket all three balls?
Nicely done by Tim, although the CB's path isn't as curvy as he drew it - it goes crosstable in a pretty straight line.FYI, Tim Chin just posted a video of the shot, using a steeper angle to help avoid the double kiss.
Regards,
Dave
Nice. For reference, he is shooting from the third diamond or a little higher.FYI, Tim Chin just posted a video of the shot, using a steeper angle to help avoid the double kiss.
Regards,
Dave
Nice analysis. I agree. Although, I still wonder how the other guy was able to avoid a worse double kiss in his video. Maybe it has something to do with the stiffness of the cushions.Nicely done by Tim, although the CB's path isn't as curvy as he drew it - it goes crosstable in a pretty straight line.
I guess the steeper angle moves the banked ball out of the way faster - looks like you were onto it, Dave!
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I thought the same thing when I saw that - still a cool crime.Number 4 can be accomplished legally by using Bob Jewett's two-times fuller system:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2ruLOLPj4U
Good point. I actually filmed this but cut it during the edits, along with a lot of other stuff, since the video was so long already.Number 4 can be accomplished legally by using Bob Jewett's two-times fuller system:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2ruLOLPj4U
Although, I still wonder how the other guy was able to avoid a worse double kiss in his video.
Thank you for posting ... both the video and your follow-up report.That was me, and Bob could be right - I think the cue might have taken a little hop off the cushion and jumped a bit to clear the 2. I wasn't trying with any rigor, so not sure what I was doing. I tried again on the other side of the table (away from the 500 degree wood stove) and got more kisses; could be the cue sank deeper into the warm rubber?
In any case, the shot in the video by Tim C. is a a lot nicer looking. :smile: