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06-09-2017, 06:08 PM

Basement Dweller....here's how Efren handles the situation....

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06-09-2017, 06:16 PM

Now here is one I'm not so sure about....the shooter lost his turn....
...I'm not so happy with the call.

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Digging a Deeper Hole - 06-09-2017, 07:53 PM

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Should it count?
It went in the hole!
http://www.golfdigest.com/story/watc...op-out-of-hole


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Answer the question put to you.

It went in the hole and came out.

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06-09-2017, 08:03 PM

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Jason,

Should it count?
It went in the hole!
http://www.golfdigest.com/story/watc...op-out-of-hole




Answer the question put to you.

It went in the hole and came out.

Does it count?
I dont golf.

Also not quite sure who you think you are demanding i answer a question, and especially a question that has nothing to do with the subject at hand.
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06-09-2017, 08:59 PM

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Also not quite sure who you think you are demanding i answer a question, and especially a question that has nothing to do with the subject at hand.
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A ball goes in a pocket and comes out.
Does it count?
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06-09-2017, 09:27 PM

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Watched a match were Jason Shaw and his opponent were putting a ball into the pocket they were shooting into just to prevent this very thing. This would act as a shock absorber . It was in Europe I think...saw it on youtube
It's possible it was a match later this tournament. Jayson was doing this a lot after it happened.
  
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06-09-2017, 09:39 PM

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The ball was "pocketed" period. Those of you comparing it to skids and almost making a ball have issues, there is no comparison. It also doesnt matter how hard he hit it and didnt need to or whatever else you can come up with to make yourselves feel better about it.

If it were my game even hill hill, he would be shooting the 9.

If it disturbes other balls then maybe a rerack.

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06-09-2017, 09:45 PM

Apparently "ending up in the pocket" is not a good enough definition of "pocketed" for some people.
  
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06-10-2017, 04:02 AM

Yeah it counts.

Ive been asked to watch shots and rule on things like this. If the ball "LOOKS" like it hits the bottom of the pocket and then spits back out under any circumstance, then yeah... it counts. I've even had the ball come back out and disturb other balls on the table... I simply ruled the pocketed ball to be removed from the playing surface and continue play without altering any of the other affected balls.

I realize that there is plenty of room to nit-pick here and I really don't care. It's what is right and everyone knows it. Especially the people that would argue the loudest about how it isn't right. In a sanctioned tournament however... we would have to go with the pocketing rules in the BCA Rule Book.

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BCA Rule Book on Pocketed Balls - 06-10-2017, 04:35 AM

BCA Rule Book
http://bca-pool.com/general/custom.asp?page=55

3.11 POCKETED BALLS
A ball is considered pocketed if as a result of an otherwise legal shot, it drops off the bed of the table into the pocket and remains there. (A ball that drops out of a ball return system onto the floor is not to be construed as a ball that has not remained pocketed.) A ball that rebounds from a pocket back onto the table bed is not a pocketed ball.

Sanctioned or not we have to follow the rules.

Unless we are playing in your basement with "House Rules".

Even then "The Rules" need to be laid out before play.

Yeah, it does not count.


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Yeah it counts.

Ive been asked to watch shots and rule on things like this. If the ball "LOOKS" like it hits the bottom of the pocket and then spits back out under any circumstance, then yeah... it counts. I've even had the ball come back out and disturb other balls on the table... I simply ruled the pocketed ball to be removed from the playing surface and continue play without altering any of the other affected balls.

I realize that there is plenty of room to nit-pick here and I really don't care. It's what is right and everyone knows it. Especially the people that would argue the loudest about how it isn't right. In a sanctioned tournament however... we would have to go with the pocketing rules in the BCA Rule Book.

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06-10-2017, 05:07 AM

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3.11 POCKETED BALLS
A ball is considered pocketed if as a result of an otherwise legal shot, it drops off the bed of the table into the pocket and remains there. (A ball that drops out of a ball return system onto the floor is not to be construed as a ball that has not remained pocketed.) A ball that rebounds from a pocket back onto the table bed is not a pocketed ball.

Sanctioned or not we have to follow the rules.

Unless we are playing in your basement with "House Rules".

Even then "The Rules" need to be laid out before play.

Yeah, it does not count.

Playing in my tournament it counts.

BCA rules are different (as I alluded to in my post) - I don't have tournaments in my basement... don't have a basement (Florida). I'm so happy to have given you this opportunity. It was a reach, but you muscled through to grab it. Awesome.

Now is where you retort about the insanity and stupidity of anyone willing to play in my tournaments.

Come get you some, son.

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06-10-2017, 05:10 AM

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I don't know if I call it pride....but I like to compete like a warrior....
...no quarter asked for or given.
There is no honor in winning when your opponent helped you.

I used to give a man serious weight years ago at snooker...only $10 a game.
...I always came out ahead,,,,but never any ill feelings...I quit playing for a year...
...started playing him to get back into the game....he killed me with the old spot...
...he didn't want the money, couldn't believe how bad I played...I told him...
..."Tony, if you don't take the money, I'll burn it right in front of you...you have to let me
be a man."
When I got back into stroke, I wouldn't play him any more...he took the joy out of competing.
...but I used to give him 10% of my action when he was around...he was a good guy...
...but when I play, I play hard.

incidently, if you google 'eight ball comes back out of a pocket', you'll see how Efren handles
that situation....it happened to him and his opponent two times in a row.

Do you not see that we actually see the game the same way?

I ask not for a quarter either. If my opponent does everything in his power to pocket a ball and he performs a perfect stroke and the ball goes in and spits back out -- then in my mind he made the ball.

I understand the rules say otherwise, and I don't necessarily think they need to be changed. I just don't think rules should be so iron-clad that they remove all opportunity for gentlemanly play. I would not expect this move to be reciprocated and I would hold no ill will toward an opponent who doesn't see it as I do.

I just wouldn't want to win like that because I to -- like to compete like a warrior.
  
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BCA rules are different (as I alluded to in my post).

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If this is true could you please list the differences?

I'm not hating, just looking for the truth.

If there are differences in the rules how do know when to use which rule?

Are there other rules that are different?

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If this is true could you please list the differences?

I'm not hating, just looking for the truth.

If there are differences in the rules how do know when to use which rule?

Are there other rules that are different?

This could lead to a lot heated arguments.

Thank God, Cool Heads prevail here on AzB.

No no dear fellow.... BCA official rules differ from my off-the-cuff, unfair, arbitrary rules. You know... the right call. LOL

There are lots of situations in amateur play that just try my patience and need for justice. Sure, rules are rules, but exceptions can be made.

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Let it ride - 06-10-2017, 05:46 AM

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No no dear fellow.... BCA official rules differ from my off-the-cuff, unfair, arbitrary rules. You know... the right call. LOL

There are lots of situations in amateur play that just try my patience and need for justice. Sure, rules are rules, but exceptions can be made.

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I'm in agreement with you and the previous poster on the matter of being gracious and accepting the shot like a gentleman.

But only if an opponent agrees to accept the shot.

If you start arguing to your opponent about accepting the shot......

Well, that's Bad Form old chap.

Just like a gimme in golf.

In golf, a gimme is a shot that the other players agree can count automatically without being played. When a player has only a very short putt left to play, other players may grant a gimme (i.e., one stroke is counted), but the ball is not played.
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