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06-15-2017, 07:27 AM

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The first minute or two is just fine and then the wheels fall off. I made a comment that I thought it was the worst instructional video of all time and now I am getting some flak for that.

So what say you?

Is he actually teaching the correct shot to play in those situations?


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I didn't think the video was so bad until he got to kicking the balls in. He's just going over short Ts and long Ts safeties. When I got back into pool 3 years ago or so, I had to learn those and a bunch of other safety shots because when I played pool back in the 60's & early 70's, that play was considered "dirty pool". On a 9' table, I think the safeties are valid, on a 7' table, not so much. A man's got to know his limitations and if he didn't think he could make the shot, he's correct in playing the best safety he can. Just my two cents.


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06-15-2017, 07:45 AM

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Oh the irony. That "Expert Village" channel seems to full of idiots, at least when it comes to pool instruction. Most of their pool related stuff I have seen is awful.
  
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06-15-2017, 07:47 AM

actually this was a great video. aimed at newer players who almost never play safes and just shoot and sell out and lose the game most times. this gets them to think about speed control and where to leave shots. and except for good players these safes are the right shots for many of those spots you are left in.

of course they dont work against champions but if playing a champion you arent going to win anyway.
  
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06-15-2017, 07:55 AM

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actually this was a great video. aimed at newer players who almost never play safes and just shoot and sell out and lose the game most times. this gets them to think about speed control and where to leave shots. and except for good players these safes are the right shots for many of those spots you are left in.

of course they dont work against champions but if playing a champion you arent going to win anyway.
Exactly! I agree. And, If someone knows a better safety with one OB left on the table, than he plays in the first part of the video, I'd like to see it. His speed control was off a bit but if he had put both balls on the rail, they would have been perfection. Then, if the opponent can make the bank or super thin cuts down the rail, he deserves the win. Most likely though, he'll rattle it and leave ball in jaws.


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06-15-2017, 07:58 AM

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Exactly! I agree. And, If someone knows a better safety with one OB left on the table, than he plays in the first part of the video, I'd like to see it. His speed control was off a bit but if he had put both balls on the rail, they would have been perfection. Then, if the opponent can make the bank or super thin cuts down the rail, he deserves the win. Most likely though, he'll rattle it and leave ball in jaws.
But the last one of the "leave them on opposite sides" group at the start that he called the best was actually the worst because it left an easy bank that would automatically leave the cue ball on the end real for a return safe.

It is good to know safes, but this video is not the one to learn them from.


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06-15-2017, 08:10 AM

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But the last one of the "leave them on opposite sides" group at the start that he called the best was actually the worst because it left an easy bank that would automatically leave the cue ball on the end real for a return safe.

It is good to know safes, but this video is not the one to learn them from.
Agree, the last safety looked like a super easy bank into the side pocket. But still, that shot is harder for the opponent than what he would leave after an attempt at a very thin cut or bank that he was not comfortable with. Those attempts and misses almost always rattle and leave BIJ. I say; if you don't walk up and think to one's self; "I've got this shot", any doubt at all....it's best to play safe.


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06-15-2017, 08:11 AM

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I say; if you don't walk up and think to one's self; "I've got this shot", any doubt at all....it's best to play safe.
All I shoot would be safes then...


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06-15-2017, 08:43 AM

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If you teach a beginner to play safe...he may never find out how many shots he can make.
Accuracy should be stressed.....not conservative shots.


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06-15-2017, 08:49 AM

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I put this in the comment section on YouTube...


If you teach a beginner to play safe...he may never find out how many shots he can make.
Accuracy should be stressed.....not conservative shots.
Probably a true statement in as far as it goes, but it's kinda fun to see the opponent get up out of the chair with the look on his face that once again he's got NO SHOT! And if he isn't skilled at getting a safety from a safety, he loses. Pool is not about going for broke, it's about winning each game.


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06-15-2017, 08:56 AM

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All I shoot would be safes then...
I hardly think so.
You strike me as someone that plays balls-out and talks all the while

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06-15-2017, 09:03 AM

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Probably a true statement in as far as it goes, but it's kinda fun to see the opponent get up out of the chair with the look on his face that once again he's got NO SHOT! And if he isn't skilled at getting a safety from a safety, he loses. Pool is not about going for broke, it's about winning each game.
So many safeties I see aren't winning shots...they're just delaying the loss.
...if you can't trap him, go for it.

Those losing safeties...I call them..."Don't take my watch now, take it later."


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06-15-2017, 09:05 AM

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The first minute or two is just fine and then the wheels fall off. I made a comment that I thought it was the worst instructional video of all time and now I am getting some flak for that.

So what say you?

Is he actually teaching the correct shot to play in those situations?


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It's not the worst instructional, but he's not doing the intemediate players the good that he thinks. Players looking to improve will lose more games than winning with much of his approach. We get where he's going, but I think his overall message might be misguided.


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06-15-2017, 09:10 AM

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So many safeties I see aren't winning shots...they're just delaying the loss.
...if you can't trap him, go for it.

Those losing safeties...I call them..."Don't take my watch now, take it later."
Mind you now I'm not playing the pros (all the time), but I love to see my opponent attempt to bank the ball frozen on the end rail and the CB almost frozen on the opposite end rail. I'll let him shoot that shot every day. Even the pro I do play weekly has trouble making that shot. Just opinion coming from a B player, take it for what's it's worth.


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06-15-2017, 09:20 AM

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Mind you now I'm not playing the pros (all the time), but I love to see my opponent attempt to bank the ball frozen on the end rail and the CB almost frozen on the opposite end rail. I'll let him shoot that shot every day. Even the pro I do play weekly has trouble making that shot. Just opinion coming from a B player, take it for what's it's worth.
I call those 'center center'....I got no complaint about playing those....
...it's a winning safety.

It's the weak safeties that I think are losing shots.


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06-15-2017, 09:50 AM

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I call those 'center center'....I got no complaint about playing those....
...it's a winning safety.

It's the weak safeties that I think are losing shots.
It's true that the side rail T safeties are not that effective especially on a 7' table, unless I can get the CB about the 1st diamond and the OB on the 3rd. Then it's a certain double kiss for the bank to the cross side or he's got to go for the corner.


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