No Rule Change for DCC One Pocket This Year

lfigueroa

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Greg has decided there will be no change to the one pocket rules at the DCC this year.

However, he says they need to do something to deal with the long matches that sometimes occur and slows up the entire event by as much as two rounds. What is likely to happen is that after a to be determined amount of time, perhaps four or five hours — a tournament official will visit the match, see what’s going on, and make a call as to how much more time, if any, the players will be given to complete the match. So first, he’s asking for everyone’s support and understanding and he would like suggestions on:

What should be the maximum amount of time a match should be given (race to three) to finish and what are some of the options a ref should apply to conclude a match and determine a winner. For example: whichever player is ahead in 30 minutes is the winner, or even to declare a winner on the spot. In any case, the ruling of the ref will be final.

Suggestions please.

Oh, and one last thing: Greg highly encourages all players to attend this year’s Player’s Meeting to hear how they have decided to handle long matches.

Lou Figueroa
 
ShootingHank

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No idea.

The game is too damn long and it’s a niche game. This is pocket billiards not cat and mouse.
 
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ChrisinNC

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lfigueroa said:
Greg has decided there will be no change to the one pocket rules at the DCC this year.

However, he says they need to do something to deal with the long matches that sometimes occur and slows up the entire event by as much as two rounds. What is likely to happen is that after a to be determined amount of time, perhaps four or five hours — a tournament official will visit the match, see what’s going on, and make a call as to how much more time, if any, the players will be given to complete the match. So first, he’s asking for everyone’s support and understanding and he would like suggestions on:

What should be the maximum amount of time a match should be given (race to three) to finish and what are some of the options a ref should apply to conclude a match and determine a winner. For example: whichever player is ahead in 30 minutes is the winner, or even to declare a winner on the spot. In any case, the ruling of the ref will be final.

Suggestions please.

Oh, and one last thing: Greg highly encourages all players to attend this year’s Player’s Meeting to hear how they have decided to handle long matches.

Lou Figueroa
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I don't play much 1-pocket, but enough to know that a 5 game match (if the match goes hill/hill) should not take 5+ hours to complete. In a huge field event with what you'd think should be all experienced and skilled players, it absolutely has a detrimental affect on the entire field and the entire event if some matches go way beyond the reasonable time limit to complete.

In my opinion, if there was was a rule in which the first two games have not been completed under 2 hours time and the score is tied 1-1 at that time, the TD should have the discretion the shorten the match to a race to 2. Obviously to be fair, there is only one logical opportunity to shorten the match and that is after 2 games have been completed and only if the score is tied at 1-1, and only if that 3rd game has not been started yet. Yes, obviously it gives a huge advantage to the breaker of that 3rd game, but that is the player who won the opening lag or flip who would have the final break in the hill-hill game anyway, so that's just tough luck for the other player.
 
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crabbcatjohn

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During the seniors one pocket event last fall in Houston, the last day wasn't able to finish after 3 in a row of the race to 3 matches lasted 5+ hours and after 15.5 hours of straight through play they decided not to finish.. These were all very well know players. One of the first matches of the tournament lasted 6-1/2 hours...lol
 
jay helfert

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If true, this is a big mistake. They should have left it in place. The loud voices shouted it down.
 
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briankenobi

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The problem with having people try to make the one pocket players meeting is that a lot of them will be in bank pool matches.
 
skip100

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Maybe they're going to wait until the tournament runs 2 days long instead of just 1 day long before making any changes.
 
Joe_Jaguar

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jay helfert said:
If true, this is a big mistake. They should have left it in place. The loud voices shouted it down.
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Posted on Facebook a hour ago, this time minus the 4 ball idea....

"2019 Derby City Classic Rule Changes (Revised)

One-Pocket:

If a ball is made on the break, re-rack.

9-Ball:

The Outsville template will be used in place of the traditional triangle.

The 9-Ball is to be positioned on the spot when racking.

Once balls are placed inside the template, do not touch them.

If the template is not perfectly straight, call for a re-rack.

A minimum of 3 balls must cross the head-string, less pocketed balls.

There will be an 18” break-box.

Baby Powder is prohibited during all events at The Derby City Classic."
 
Joe_Jaguar

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lfigueroa said:
Greg has decided there will be no change to the one pocket rules at the DCC this year.

However, he says they need to do something to deal with the long matches that sometimes occur and slows up the entire event by as much as two rounds. What is likely to happen is that after a to be determined amount of time, perhaps four or five hours — a tournament official will visit the match, see what’s going on, and make a call as to how much more time, if any, the players will be given to complete the match. So first, he’s asking for everyone’s support and understanding and he would like suggestions on:

What should be the maximum amount of time a match should be given (race to three) to finish and what are some of the options a ref should apply to conclude a match and determine a winner. For example: whichever player is ahead in 30 minutes is the winner, or even to declare a winner on the spot. In any case, the ruling of the ref will be final.

Suggestions please.

Oh, and one last thing: Greg highly encourages all players to attend this year’s Player’s Meeting to hear how they have decided to handle long matches.

Lou Figueroa
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Seems like a TD ought to visit the table before waiting 4 hours...
 
HawaiianEye

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If they can't play the set in less than five or six hours, there needs to be some sort of adjustment made after about the third hour.

Give them a side pocket, in addition to their corner pocket...on the opposite side.

See how that works out.

LMAO!
 
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TheLoneSilencer

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What really is getting ignored is that a lot of the backup of the one pocket matches started from the bank pool matches that were going on way too long. Why is that? Because a good number of bank pool matches that should take no longer than 45 minutes tops were going well over an hour because some felt the need to make a bank & turn it into a damn one pocket type match because they saw no hangers to shoot at,.
 
HawaiianEye

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TheLoneSilencer said:
What really is getting ignored is that a lot of the backup of the one pocket matches started from the bank pool matches that were going on way too long. Why is that? Because a good number of bank pool matches that should take no longer than 45 minutes tops were going well over an hour because some felt the need to make a bank & turn it into a damn one pocket type match because they saw no hangers to shoot at,.
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It is no different in one-pocket.

You have "offensive" players and "defensive" players and I've seen one game go for 5 hours, with an hour so so lapse in the middle where not a single ball was made.

If people are "determined" to win, no matter what, then they aren't going to just speed up because people want them to. There has to be some sort of rules and enforcement, or either extend the length of the tournament to make up for it.
 
KRJ

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Bob Jewett said:
I still think chess clocks are the way to go if they really want to limit how long matches take.
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I agree, it will speed up the game tremendously. So, you need to be able to think fast on your feet. Yeah, anyone can spend all day thinking about the right decision, but in how many sports do you really get all day. In baseball, you get a fraction of a second to "pull the trigger".... I mean, at some point, either "phone a friend" or take the shot for pete's sake :)
 
Nostroke

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Just implement the the damn rule changes-Didnt Grady use those in his tournies?The sun still came up the next day! I cant imagine anyone but the Varner wedge-wear-out your-opponent people are upset by the proposed rule changes.
 
lfigueroa

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ChrisinNC said:
I don't play much 1-pocket, but enough to know that a 5 game match (if the match goes hill/hill) should not take 5+ hours to complete. In a huge field event with what you'd think should be all experienced and skilled players, it absolutely has a detrimental affect on the entire field and the entire event if some matches go way beyond the reasonable time limit to complete.

In my opinion, if there was was a rule in which the first two games have not been completed under 2 hours time and the score is tied 1-1 at that time, the TD should have the discretion the shorten the match to a race to 2. Obviously to be fair, there is only one logical opportunity to shorten the match and that is after 2 games have been completed and only if the score is tied at 1-1, and only if that 3rd game has not been started yet. Yes, obviously it gives a huge advantage to the breaker of that 3rd game, but that is the player who won the opening lag or flip who would have the final break in the hill-hill game anyway, so that's just tough luck for the other player.
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Well the truth is that there are players participating at every skill level.

Sometimes the top guys have long matches, more often the lesser skilled guys have longer matches. I will pass along your suggestion to shorten a match.

Lou Figueroa
 
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