Stats -- Efren Reyes vs. Billy Thorpe One-Pocket, June 2019

AtLarge

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Here are some stats from the Efren Reyes vs. Billy Thorpe One-Pocket match played June 6-9, 2019 at Arena Billiards in West Monroe, Louisiana. Pay-per-view live streaming was provided by PoolActionTV.

This match was a best of 5 races to 10 games, with one race to 10 scheduled for each day. Reyes won the 1st, 3rd, and 4th races to win the match three sets to one. The commentators were Jeremy Jones and Ray Hansen.

Conditions -- The conditions for this match included:
  • - Diamond 9-foot table with blue Simonis 860 cloth;
    - Aramith Tournament balls with a measles cue ball;
    - triangle rack;
    - rack your own with alternating breaks;
    - re-break if a ball is made on the break;
    - cue ball fouls only;
    - 3 fouls in a row is loss of game (did not happen);
    - no shot clock, and
    - lag for opening break each day (Reyes won the lag on Days 2 and 4, Thorpe on Days 1 and 3).

Match results, in games
  • Set 1 -- 10-8 Reyes
    Set 2 -- 7-10
    Set 3 -- 10-9
    Set 4 -- 10-8
    Total -- 37-35

Games won by breaker
  • Reyes -- 18 of 36 (50%)
    Thorpe -- 17 of 36 (47%)
    Total -- 35 of 72 (49%)

Breaks by side of table -- 71 of the 72 breaks were from the breaker's right side of the table. The exception was by Thorpe in Set 4; he lost that game and went back to his right side thereafter.

Games won by player who scored the first point (or had it scored for him)
  • Reyes -- 26 of 39 (67%)
    Thorpe -- 22 of 33 (67%)
    Total -- 48 of 72 (67%)

Scratches on the break -- 2, both by Thorpe. He won one of those games and lost the other.

Balls made on the break -- 1, by Reyes, causing a re-break.

Games in which the player had the lead at some point
  • Reyes -- 59 games, his 37 wins plus 22 games he lost.
    Thorpe -- 56 games, his 35 wins plus 21 games he lost.

Ball counts by length of run -- The total ball counts resulted from the following runs and fouls. Counts are given for Reyes first, then Thorpe, then the total.
  • 1 ball -- 64 times, 71 times, 135 times
    2 balls -- 35, 28, 63
    3 balls -- 15, 13, 28
    4 balls -- 13, 17, 30
    5 balls -- 7, 11, 18
    6 balls -- 6, 4, 10
    7 balls -- 8, 2, 10
    8 balls -- 6, 5, 11
    9 balls -- 1, 0, 1
    Plus balls pocketed by opponent -- 35, 21, 56
    Minus fouls -- 56, 38, 94
    TOTAL ball count -- 394, 350, 744
    Average game score -- 8 - 2.3

Distribution of run-outs to win the games. Counts are given for Reyes first, then Thorpe, then the total.
  • 1 ball -- 16 times, 15 times, 31 times (43% of the 72 games)
    2 balls -- 6, 4, 10
    3 balls -- 2, 4, 6
    4 balls -- 0, 1, 1
    5 balls -- 1, 2, 3
    6 balls -- 2, 2, 4
    7 balls -- 5, 2, 7
    8+ balls -- 5, 5, 10 (14%)
    Average (mean) "out" run -- 3.4 balls
    Average (median) "out" run -- 2 balls

Distribution of lengths of games
  • ≤10 minutes -- 12 games
    11-20 minutes -- 27
    21-30 minutes -- 19
    31-60 minutes -- 13
    61+ minutes -- 1
    Total -- 72

Match length (including racking and timeouts) -- 26 hours, 35 minutes

Average minutes per game -- 22.2
[Note: Sets 1, 2, and 4 averaged about 5¾ hours apiece (19½ min./game). Set 3 went 9½ hours, or 30 min./game.]
 
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bbb

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thanks for the stats
the stats show it was alot closer than a 3-1 win implies
 

terryhanna

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thanks for the stats
the stats show it was alot closer than a 3-1 win implies

Yep after 4 days of play Efren won 37 games and Billy 35 that is pretty damn close lol

Really was a great match from both players

Thanks for the great stats from AtLarge :clapping:

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Get_A_Grip

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All around, they played very close.

I only see one stat, Scratches on Break, that is not relevant, as they reracked for all scratches. So nobody really won on the racks that they scratched on.

Cool stats though. It's nice to see detailed stats so soon after the match ended!


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... I only see one stat, Scratches on Break, that is not relevant, as they reracked for all scratches. So nobody really won on the racks that they scratched on ...
At pool a "scratch" is when the cue ball goes into a pocket. Maybe you are thinking of carom billiards when a "scratch" is a fluke, kiss-in, or otherwise unintended carambolation. Scratching on the break is different from making a ball on the break in your own pocket.
 

terryhanna

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All around, they played very close.

I only see one stat, Scratches on Break, that is not relevant, as they reracked for all scratches. So nobody really won on the racks that they scratched on.

Cool stats though. It's nice to see detailed stats so soon after the match ended!


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They didn't play re-rack on scratches on the break

only when a ball was made on the break was re-rack

didn't matter if they scratched or not make a ball on the break was re-rack
 
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When I first started to play one pocket, the consensus amongst good players was....
....the break was worth a ball and a half.

According to these figures, there is hardly any advantage for the breaker.
...I suspect it’s because one pocket is being played at a higher level.
....kinda like a chess player learning how to crack the French defence.

There are still cases where the break is a big advantage....but that’s where the table
favors one side...tournament conditions say no big deal who breaks.

‘Course, somewhere in an off the beaten path pool hall....on a back table....
...Corey Deuel is working on a shot to give the breaker back his edge....:eek:

Thanx, AtLarge....I’ll be looking at more break stats in the future.
 

alstl

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Runs of 7 or more balls Reyes 15 Thorpe 7. Looks like that was the difference.
 

Get_A_Grip

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They didn't play re-rack on scratches on the break

only when a ball was made on the break was re-rack

didn't matter if they scratched or not make a ball on the break was re-rack
OMG, what was I thinking. I really meant making a ball on the break was a re-rack, I have no idea how my head converted making a ball into a scratch. Weird. LOL
 

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When I first started to play one pocket, the consensus amongst good players was....
....the break was worth a ball and a half.

According to these figures, there is hardly any advantage for the breaker.
...I suspect it’s because one pocket is being played at a higher level.
....kinda like a chess player learning how to crack the French defence.

There are still cases where the break is a big advantage....but that’s where the table
favors one side...tournament conditions say no big deal who breaks.

‘Course, somewhere in an off the beaten path pool hall....on a back table....
...Corey Deuel is working on a shot to give the breaker back his edge....:eek:

Thanx, AtLarge....I’ll be looking at more break stats in the future.

The breaker-won-game percentage fluctuates quite a bit from event to event.

For the streamed matches I have watched from the DCC and Southern Classic events from 2011 through 2019, the breaker-won percentage (for the games for which I have that information) varied from 41% to 84% over those 11 events! Small numbers can produce atypical results. Aggregating all 464 of those games, the breaker won 260 (56%), or about 5 wins for every 4 losses.
 

JohnnyOzone

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When I first started to play one pocket, the consensus amongst good players was....
....the break was worth a ball and a half.

According to these figures, there is hardly any advantage for the breaker.
...I suspect it’s because one pocket is being played at a higher level.
....kinda like a chess player learning how to crack the French defence.

There are still cases where the break is a big advantage....but that’s where the table
favors one side...tournament conditions say no big deal who breaks.

‘Course, somewhere in an off the beaten path pool hall....on a back table....
...Corey Deuel is working on a shot to give the breaker back his edge....:eek:

Thanx, AtLarge....I’ll be looking at more break stats in the future.

I watched almost all of this match, and that was the thing that jumped out at me, was that the breaker seemed to be losing more than the non-breaker. Especially early in each set.
Part of that was there weren't too many times where the breaker got a ball right near his hole - many breaks there weren't too many balls coming loose and they weren't so hard to get out of.

The biggest difference that I saw during the match was that Billy made more position errors when running balls. He was better at defense / moving than I thought he would be, and not as good on offense as I thought he would be

The other thing that jumped out at me was that Efren couldn't elevate his cue to shoot a masse'. He must have a pretty bad shoulder. He would try to elevate his cue sidearm, then drip it down and flex his arm like it really bothered him to do that.
 
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terryhanna

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The other thing that jumped out at me was that Efren couldn't elevate his cue to shoot a masse'. He must have a pretty bad shoulder. He would try to elevate his cue sidearm, then drip it down and flex his arm like it really bothered him to do that.

This seems to be a huge problem for Efren and it seems to be getting worse.

Jeremy did say Efren talked to him a little about how the pain he was having in his shoulder was effecting his stroke on certain type of shots in private a conversation they had.
 
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Lucasi53

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good match

I watched last night (Sunday) as Efren closed it out. He started very strong (5-0) but seemed to tire as the games went on. He made few mistakes that would never happen in younger days. Billy put s couple of good runs together, but also missed some key opportunities. Interesting to see how these players respond to "bad rolls". Have to say if Efren was in his prime, I don't think Billy could stay with him. Great to watch. Very good play-by-play comments from JJ.
 
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