Does anyone else think ....

Nine ... corner · May 13, 2018

... that it is almost sacrilege to pay $500 for a carbon fiber shaft and put it on a beautiful birds eye maple shaft with expensive inlays? I admit I'm old and old school but really??? All the hype about the most accurate shaft and blah, blah blah but really isn't this just blaming the arrow instead of the archer??? When I see Efren start using one then maybe, just maybe I'll change my view. Interested in my fellow AZBer's viewpoints.

poolhustler · May 13, 2018

Not at all..... people should use what they are comfortable with or what suits their playing style. I also don't get where "everyone" comes up with the crap that this shaft will make them a world beater. Please show me one person who said that. Its just a shaft.

pt109 · May 13, 2018

I am not adverse to new technology....I come from golf.
...but I have asked on here what does one of these shafts do that my wood shaft can’t.
.....I have not been impressed by the responses.

Nine ... corner · May 13, 2018

poolhustler said:
Not at all..... people should use what they are comfortable with or what suits their playing style. I also don't get where "everyone" comes up with the crap that this shaft will make them a world beater. Please show me one person who said that. Its just a shaft.

I agree concerning the first part of your response ... yes, people should use what they are comfortable with etc. The advertising to promote the shaft indicates that it is the best ever etc, etc. I also mentioned I'm old school but never too old to try something new. I bought a LD shaft due mainly to all the promotional BS. My opinion is that it was different, not necessarily better. Spent decades adjusting in my aim and then with the new shaft had to alter my game. I went back to my regular shafts. Just my humble opinion. Obviously I am comfortable with a maple shaft which suits my playing style.

Nine ... corner · May 13, 2018

pt109 said:
I am not adverse to new technology....I come from golf.
...but I have asked on here what does one of these shafts do that my wood shaft can’t.
.....I have not been impressed by the responses.

That is exactly why I made the thread. Hey, new can be better but I've a few $$$ on good looking cues that I have no desire to stick a carbon fiber shaft on. Just my two cents. :smile:

one stroke · May 13, 2018

pt109 said:
I am not adverse to new technology....I come from golf.
...but I have asked on here what does one of these shafts do that my wood shaft can’t.
.....I have not been impressed by the responses.

Yet even pro players are jumping on board and not because they are sponsored that in it's self should be a reason to take notice, I've hit several and waiting on mine now , at the very least I know one thing they will never have a table role like every other ld shaft I have does eventually, truth is I told a vender about it he rolled 50 brand new never used shafts and half had a roll ,,

1

Nine ... corner · May 13, 2018

one stroke said:
Yet even pro players are jumping on board and not because they are sponsored that in it's self should be a reason to take notice, I've hit several and waiting on mine now , at the very least I know one thing they will never have a table role like every other ld shaft I have does eventually, truth is I told a vender about it he rolled 50 brand new never used shafts and half had a roll ,,

While that may be true and even if there is a microscopic difference in accuracy you are talking about pros. For $500 do you think this translates to the regular Joe, whether a top shortstop or just a C+ to B+ player?

poolhustler · May 13, 2018

Nine ... corner said:
I agree concerning the first part of your response ... yes, people should use what they are comfortable with etc. The advertising to promote the shaft indicates that it is the best ever etc, etc. I also mentioned I'm old school but never too old to try something new. I bought a LD shaft due mainly to all the promotional BS. My opinion is that it was different, not necessarily better. Spent decades adjusting in my aim and then with the new shaft had to alter my game. I went back to my regular shafts. Just my humble opinion. Obviously I am comfortable with a maple shaft which suits my playing style.

Right.. so we agree that a player should use what suits them best. Whether that's a house cue or a $10K custom. As far as the marketing hype that Predator puts out, you just need to take that with a grain of salt. Of course they are going to hype it up .. just like every other company out there trying to sell their product. I just get tired of so many people saying that Revo users expect that they will become pro's over night because of the Revo. I have never seen or heard anyone say anything like that. There are many that love them .. again ... just a s I have read regarding many many other shafts / cues. No different.

Michael Andros · May 13, 2018

Nine ... corner said:
... that it is almost sacrilege to pay $500 for a carbon fiber shaft and put it on a beautiful birds eye maple shaft with expensive inlays? I admit I'm old and old school but really??? All the hype about the most accurate shaft and blah, blah blah but really isn't this just blaming the arrow instead of the archer??? When I see Efren start using one then maybe, just maybe I'll change my view. Interested in my fellow AZBer's viewpoints.

IMHO? It's all BS. Now, of course, there are tons of people here who will tell me I'm an idiot for saying that, but... IMHO? All BS.

Babe Cranfield ran 768 balls playing 14.1. Carbon fiber / LD shaft? Ummm... no.
Earl ran 11 racks for a million. Carbon fiber / LD shaft? Ummm... no.
Archer ran 13 racks on Bustamonte. Carbon fiber / LD shaft? Ummm... no.
Ronnie Allen busted 2,886,913 people playing one hole. Carbon fiber / LD shaft? Ummm... you guessed it. No.

Will a carbon fiber / LD shaft make me play better? Possibly. Am I gonna bet 500.00 ( on the shaft ) to find out? Uhhh... nope.

IMHO? Total BS. Nice marketing, though.

poolhustler · May 13, 2018

Michael Andros said:
IMHO? It's all BS. Now, of course, there are tons of people here who will tell me I'm an idiot for saying that, but... IMHO? All BS.

Babe Cranfield ran 768 balls playing 14.1. Carbon fiber / LD shaft? Ummm... no.
Earl ran 11 racks for a million. Carbon fiber / LD shaft? Ummm... no.
Archer ran 13 racks on Bustamonte. Carbon fiber / LD shaft? Ummm... no.
Ronnie Allen busted 2,886,913 people playing one hole. Carbon fiber / LD shaft? Ummm... you guessed it. No.

Will a carbon fiber / LD shaft make me play better? Possibly. Am I gonna bet 500.00 ( on the shaft ) to find out? Uhhh... nope.

IMHO? Total BS. Nice marketing, though.

You do realize that the Revo shaft was not even made when the records you posted were made? Maybe not.. lol

Also ... there are more expensive cues and shafts out there. $500 for a shaft may be alot to you, but its not to many people.

poolhustler · May 13, 2018

Nine ... corner said:
While that may be true and even if there is a microscopic difference in accuracy you are talking about pros. For $500 do you think this translates to the regular Joe, whether a top shortstop or just a C+ to B+ player?

again ... what difference does that make? Its just a shaft. Some will hate it, some will love it. Will it make any level player a world beater... not unless they already were

Trying to understand what you are getting at ....

frankncali · May 13, 2018

Its not blaming the arrow its that there is a better arrow for some.

Pros can play damn good pool with anything but they are pros. its not just a title its a skill level and they are at the top due to their abilities. The equipment matters a little less as they can adapt better and have unique abilities and skills.

Us not so gifted guys try and do what we can do to make our lack of unique skills and abilities show up less.

It doesn't make since not to use technology.

Michael Andros · May 13, 2018

poolhustler said:
You do realize that the Revo shaft was not even made when the records you posted were made? Maybe not.. lolhttps://forums.azbilliards.com/editpost.php?do=editpost&p=6148262

Also ... there are more expensive cues and shafts out there. $500 for a shaft may be alot to you, but its not to many people.

Well, not only do I realize it, but that was EXACTLY my point. :yeah:

Michael Andros · May 13, 2018

..............

Michael Andros · May 13, 2018

frankncali said:
Its not blaming the arrow its that there is a better arrow for some.

Pros can play damn good pool with anything but they are pros. its not just a title its a skill level and they are at the top due to their abilities. The equipment matters a little less as they can adapt better and have unique abilities and skills.

Us not so gifted guys try and do what we can do to make our lack of unique skills and abilities show up less.

It doesn't make since not to use technology.

Unless the technology is worthless! :grin:

Just teasing... you've a point well made. My point, simply, was most of the best players ever didn't use those shafts and they didn't seem to suffer much for it. And to defend your point, anything that can help someone play better, even if it's a placebo, is a good thing.

Cuebuddy · May 13, 2018

Yes its crazy to pay that kind of cash for a shaft....but if I had the lettuce I would get one. Why not? I have nearly everything else that is related to the game.

jimmyco · May 13, 2018

Sacrilege? No.

What I do hold sacred is that in America we can pretty much do WTF we want, within legal bounds.

RiverCity · May 13, 2018

jimmyco said:
Sacrilege? No.

What I do hold sacred is that in America we can pretty much do WTF we want, within legal bounds.

What??? You mean I can buy whatever I want without having to check and see if the guys on the pool forum think its cool? :duck:

QuietStorm · May 13, 2018

poolhustler said:
... $500 for a shaft may be alot to you, but its not to many people.

If it isn't expensive to many people, then many people would own a Revo shaft.

pwd72s · May 14, 2018

I have it on good authority (okay, my magic 8 ball) that SVB has tremors of fear when an opponent shows up with a Revo shaft...

Does anyone else think ....

BANNED

AzB Silver Member

WO double hemlock

BANNED

BANNED

AzB Silver Member

BANNED

AzB Silver Member

tiny balls, GIANT pockets

AzB Silver Member

AzB Silver Member

AzB Silver Member

tiny balls, GIANT pockets

tiny balls, GIANT pockets

tiny balls, GIANT pockets

Mini cues

NRA4Life

AzB Silver Member

AzB Silver Member

recreational banger