I agree with what you said but he ended with a good pt - about paying $500 + for a good shaft
With all the shafts predator is selling I guess a lot.
I agree with what you said but he ended with a good pt - about paying $500 + for a good shaft
Your very first sentence gives evidence of your dislike of OB products. So everything after that is suspect.
I would ask you to try one before you can make such a statement. Provide some evidence please. Why would a guitar manufacturer use this process if it ruined the integrity of the neck? Remember.... a guitar when strung has a lot of force. And the necks are not warping.
I do believe they are solid maple. No pie peices. Someone correct me if I'm wrong. And I'm not sure whatever you meant by the $500 price tag. Referring to Carbon fiber shafts?
i withhold judgement until I try one... as should anyone.
No dislike at all, ive owned both a full cue and shafts for other cues. The full cue gave me the biggest headache when i sold it to some crazy schizo from canada though. I hated the first shafts with the wood ferrule, the second gen with thr white ferrule were fine shafts. My point is theyre just trying to do extra shit to have a selling point instead of buildimg a shaft people will tell their friends about.
With all the shafts predator is selling I guess a lot.
I believe the MSRP was $250 for the Phoenix. The $500 he was referring to has to be the Carbon shafts from others.
Mark Griffin on the move. New shaft out from OB called Phoenix. It is a standard all wood shaft that is "Torrified".
Definition from Sweetwater.com...
"Osmosis resistant. Torrified (also spelled “torrefied”) wood neither swells up during humid summer months nor dries out due to dry winter air. Torrified wood will not shrink, warp, expand, or contract due to changing weather or humidity levels.
Torrified wood has been heat treated or roasted until it has nearly 0% internal moisture. The wood will not reabsorb moisture because its structure has been altered as a result of the heating process. This is not a chemical process, and it affects the wood all the way through, to its core. The wood can be sanded, shaped, cut, or otherwise processed — or even scratched or dented — without losing the effects of the treatment. The heat treatment can also enhance the visual appeal of the wood.
Several guitar manufacturers have begun using torrified maple necks on their instruments"
I wonder if this process affects the feel or sound of the hit? Website says it does change the sound. I'm not looking to get a carbon fiber anytime soon, but this sounds interesting to me, and those that prefer the qualities of wood.
Aren’t kielwood and java shafts like $300+? I understand people wanting to use wood over carbon fiber. But for just over $100 more you can get a shaft that’s basically impervious to everything. Well, anything you’d put a normal cue through. I just know that it hurt pretty badly when I put a dent in my cherry Vantage shaft. I can say whole heartedly my Revo was worth every dollar.
Maybe they just did. I have seen no evidence to the contrary as of yet. And I ask you to back up your statement that it's just a selling point. You could be very wrong. Neither of us has any idea yet. Here's an idea. Try one and I'll listen. I will withhold judgement until I try one, or hear reliable, unbiased reviews here on AZ.
As an afterthought, I have the wood ferrule shaft. Have you tried it with a hard tip? It really woke mine up in the feel and sound department! Didnt like the Everest it came with. Played with it for 2 months and changed it.
maybe they just created a shaft that will make even you shoot straight, as the OB cue and shaft youre using now isn't quite enough and you have a non biased opinion on the subject. theyre trying to reinvent the wheel, by telling you that their wheel is the latest and greatest, if they were good they wouldn't have gone out of business. relax guy. I have proof, THEY SHUT THEIR DOORS, PEOPLE STOPPED BUYING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sounds similar to a process wood turners use to turn very fragile materials.
It also sounds like the structure of the wood is changed to the extent that it is no longer natural wood. The resin is the important material and the wood is replacing the carbon fiber in carbon fiber shafts. Seems that this is a way to get synthetic shafts into the hands of people that have an aversion to synthetic shafts.
The question is how does the structure of this highly processed wood compare to the structure of the carbon fiber shafts? Some people are going to have to pay to find out.
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Mine just arrived this morning. Build quality looks top notch. Can't wait to try it out.
OB Phoenix 3
11.8mm, Uniloc QR joint
3.4 oz
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What's the taper, Pro or European?
I have a Kielwood shaft that I sometimes use.Mark Griffin on the move. New shaft out from OB called Phoenix. It is a standard all wood shaft that is "Torrified".
Definition from Sweetwater.com...
"Osmosis resistant. Torrified (also spelled “torrefied”) wood neither swells up during humid summer months nor dries out due to dry winter air. Torrified wood will not shrink, warp, expand, or contract due to changing weather or humidity levels.
Torrified wood has been heat treated or roasted until it has nearly 0% internal moisture. The wood will not reabsorb moisture because its structure has been altered as a result of the heating process. This is not a chemical process, and it affects the wood all the way through, to its core. The wood can be sanded, shaped, cut, or otherwise processed — or even scratched or dented — without losing the effects of the treatment. The heat treatment can also enhance the visual appeal of the wood.
Several guitar manufacturers have begun using torrified maple necks on their instruments"
I wonder if this process affects the feel or sound of the hit? Website says it does change the sound. I'm not looking to get a carbon fiber anytime soon, but this sounds interesting to me, and those that prefer the qualities of wood.
I have a Kielwood shaft which is the same thing. I plays wonderfully. I like that the process makes the wood darker. It looks an old house cue. I use a plain Jane butt section. I like it better than my carbon fibre shaft.Mark Griffin on the move. New shaft out from OB called Phoenix. It is a standard all wood shaft that is "Torrified".
Definition from Sweetwater.com...
"Osmosis resistant. Torrified (also spelled “torrefied”) wood neither swells up during humid summer months nor dries out due to dry winter air. Torrified wood will not shrink, warp, expand, or contract due to changing weather or humidity levels.
Torrified wood has been heat treated or roasted until it has nearly 0% internal moisture. The wood will not reabsorb moisture because its structure has been altered as a result of the heating process. This is not a chemical process, and it affects the wood all the way through, to its core. The wood can be sanded, shaped, cut, or otherwise processed — or even scratched or dented — without losing the effects of the treatment. The heat treatment can also enhance the visual appeal of the wood.
Several guitar manufacturers have begun using torrified maple necks on their instruments"
I wonder if this process affects the feel or sound of the hit? Website says it does change the sound. I'm not looking to get a carbon fiber anytime soon, but this sounds interesting to me, and those that prefer the qualities of wood.