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10-26-2019, 09:30 AM

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Yes, that is what I was trying to define. The resonant feedback and sound of the hit is so different from other cues. BTW I had spare shafts for all my cues made by Paul with the same taper and ferrule. As I said I in the OP I understand the importance of all the other variables but was curious why the tone was so different. I also question how much no wrap my be affecting the feedback in my right hand.
No wrap means your grip hand will feel the vibrations more.


  
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10-26-2019, 09:35 AM

Asking about the hit of the cue is like trying to figure out why fat and anorexic women are both in demand.

If I were building cues to send to Mexico I would shoot for about 25 ounces.


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10-26-2019, 01:45 PM

What in the world is the thinking behind a laminated core as opposed to a high toned piece of solid wood? I don't understand the desirability of glue.
  
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10-26-2019, 02:52 PM

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What in the world is the thinking behind a laminated core as opposed to a high toned piece of solid wood?
I always thought it was to "randomize" natural flexing/warping differences so they'd neutralize each other. I think it also allows the use of cheaper grades of wood.

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10-26-2019, 10:32 PM

I would never opt for laminated core. I agree with Patrick that it allows for the use of cheaper woods & I don't see where that would be desirable and the less glue in a cue the better. Why other than the use of cheaper woods would glue be desirable?
  
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10-27-2019, 05:29 AM

Laminated cores are more stable and stronger than solid wood cores. Itís definitely not to be able to use cheaper grades of wood. Cost savings would be negligible anyway.
More work goes into make a laminated core. Much easier to just turn down a solid piece of wood.
I use both laminated and solid in my cues. But my solid cores are aged many years.
  
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10-27-2019, 08:46 AM

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I would never opt for laminated core. I agree with Patrick that it allows for the use of cheaper woods & I don't see where that would be desirable and the less glue in a cue the better. Why other than the use of cheaper woods would glue be desirable?
Many years ago, my late mentor and I came across several 17-ply laminated cores that came from a closed cue factory.
None ever made it to his or my cues as cores for forearms or handles.
They sounded dull .
We both got rid of them.


  
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10-27-2019, 03:18 PM

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Laminated cores are more stable and stronger than solid wood cores. Itís definitely not to be able to use cheaper grades of wood. Cost savings would be negligible anyway.
More work goes into make a laminated core. Much easier to just turn down a solid piece of wood.
I use both laminated and solid in my cues. But my solid cores are aged many years.
Yes, more stable, stronger, more radially consistent - and you can use cheaper, unaged wood. Even good for shafts (as Predator showed us).

I don't get the downside of glue - have there been lots of glue joint failures?

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10-27-2019, 05:22 PM

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Yes, more stable, stronger, more radially consistent - and you can use cheaper, unaged wood. Even good for shafts (as Predator showed us).

I don't get the downside of glue - have there been lots of glue joint failures?

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Predator shafts are made out of very dehydrated wood scraps. Not sure where they get their weight from but it doesn't appear to be from the wood. They dent super easy compared to a good quality solid maple shaft. Just my experience with them.


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10-27-2019, 05:35 PM

you may want to post this question in the "ask the cuemaker " forum
  
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10-27-2019, 05:42 PM

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Yes, more stable, stronger, more radially consistent - and you can use cheaper, unaged wood. Even good for shafts (as Predator showed us).

I don't get the downside of glue - have there been lots of glue joint failures?

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How are flat-laminated dowels more radially consistent ?
Not very many use pie-cores for coring dowels.
Most use flat sheets.
And when they use pie-cores, those pieces are not cut from the same board and turned over.

Flat sheets have a lot more glue than radial/pie kind.
The glue adds a lot to it's weight.
And it muffs the tone.


  
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10-27-2019, 05:45 PM

of all the cues I have tried, a rosewood butt is what sounds/feels the best to me.


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10-27-2019, 06:36 PM

I happen to love the play of Larry Vigus cues

He made me a few very plain ones when he was getting started

I like the plain maple ,29 inches of maple

Larry is making me one right now,pretty plain
piece of wood so I won't be tempted to sell

I have noticed Efren seems to play with a merry widow of maple
as did so many other great players over the years

Cole Dickson had a maple merry widow by Schon
A ton of the good California players played maple merry widows
and several Filipino players besides Efren

I bought a TAD maple merry widow and Jack Potter swooped it up

My guess is maple is the very best wood for playing pool

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10-29-2019, 04:17 PM

I believe "tonal" wood cues provide a better feel to a cue. That would be maple, rosewoods, permambuco, Also woods like bacote and zircote, etc...

For anyone that doesnt think butt construction and wood make a difference just try the same shaft on two different butts. Even with same pin, tip, shaft, ferrule and taper it will feel quite different. Even the Revos feel quite different depending on the type of butt you match it to.
  
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10-29-2019, 11:18 PM

I would prefer to do business with a cue maker who would take his craft seriously enough to only use aged top quality wood for his coring. Gluing strips of wood together would only tend to deaden the hit over time if not from the get go. It has been my experience over the years that wood Tone is a huge factor in a cue. From butt to shaft.
  
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