John Barton us open ban

ShootingArts said:

My knowledge is about a decade outdated I reckon but moderately skilled assembly line workers in china were paid less than a dollar an hour. No benefits so that was total cost to the employer. The same position paid about thirty an hour in the US with benefits and safety practices in the US kicking the cost per employee up to over fifty an hour.

The only thing amazing is that the US has still managed to manufacture a few things when the cost for US labor is fifty times or more what it is in third world countries. china should be called emerging at this point and is farming out some of it's manufacturing to bottom of the heap countries near them like north korea.

Aside from true costs there are tariffs. Someone asked years ago why we couldn't sell our cars in south korea when they first started into our market. Their economy car sold for about ten thousand or a bit less here. After tariffs our economy car sold for over forty thousand US there. Try selling a Vega for over forty thousand!

There is a lot of garbage from overseas and I don't know if some of the countries can match our raw material quality. With the coming of NC manufacturing there is little reason they can't turn out products that are well made if they desire to. china is the biggest thief of military and trade secrets in the world. Just a question of how well they implement them after that, plus, their R&D can start from the level of their theft and improve from there instead of starting from ground zero.

It is going to become increasingly hard for the US manufacturers to compete in the world market, even in the US market. US buyers have long shown a tendency to value low cost over quality. Hard to guess where we are going to end up. Unless the US buyer comes to value quality or the US starts using reciprocal tariffs as some countries do, hard to see US manufacturers surviving. We have a partially service based economy including medical, quite a few sucking on the government teat one way or another, many of the rest are pencil pushers of one sort or another.

How can the US economy survive when we basically produce nothing? Damned if I know.

Hu

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ShootingArts said:

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Aside from true costs there are tariffs. Someone asked years ago why we couldn't sell our cars in south korea when they first started into our market. Their economy car sold for about ten thousand or a bit less here. After tariffs our economy car sold for over forty thousand US there. Try selling a Vega for over forty thousand!


How can the US economy survive when we basically produce nothing? Damned if I know.

Hu

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trentfromtoledo said:

LOL

GOOD ONE!

Trent

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Michael-Hoang said:

The building owner/manager refused to release the camera surveillance video because he didn't want to get dragged into an Illegal Gambling activity on his property. Supposedly what we were doing was illegal gambling, according to the building owner and the person in the law office.

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cookie man said:

Couldn't get a warrant for the tape?

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garczar said:

Seriously? I did a quik search: In 2018 we produced 18% of world's goods at a value of around $2.5trillion. https://www.thebalance.com/u-s-manufacturing-what-it-is-statistics-and-outlook-3305575

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Nostroke said:

I dont believe Tariffs on American Cars have ever been over 8% in SK. Currently they are 4% and they still dont sell for many reasons.

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Michael-Hoang said:

The building owner/manager refused to release the camera surveillance video because he didn't want to get dragged into an Illegal Gambling activity on his property. Supposedly what we were doing was illegal gambling, according to the building owner and the person in the law office.

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cookie man said:

Couldn't get a warrant for the tape?

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Michael-Hoang said:

I mean, we are not talking about rapes or murders here.

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Texdance said:

When the first comment appeared with "Acme" as a case name, I thought they were kidding - using Acme as a generic, Wiley Coyote-type product,something that you could easily mail-order, but that would cause a big blow-up in actual use.

Much to my surprise, several comments down the line it became clear that Acme was/is actually a name brand cue case. Ha ha, joke's on me.

Now, as best I can tell, JB doesn't like the "$297 on sale for only $100!" marketing ploy. I assure you, Mr. Barton, that we consumers were hip to this marketing/sales ploy decades ago, about the time we first got a few bucks from mowing lawns and went to buy our very own brand new baseball glove as we advanced in Little League.

Hmmm, do I choose the one on the K-Mart rack, it's only four dollars, and made out of "Water Repellent Vinyl!", or do I save up another twenty bucks to buy a genuine leather kid-size glove from a brand-name like Wilson, Rawlings, or Spalding?

For me the problem was solved my first season in the Majors because I held the winning raffle ticket from the local Little League fund raiser. I was presented with the finest Nocona leather baseball glove, professional quality in every detail, but sized for my young hand. I was in heaven. I learned literally first-hand about the quality of a well-made professional leather product. Even the Rawlings and Spalding gloves looked cheap compared to my Nocona.

Don't worry about us, JB, most of us know cheap Chinese when see it. Matter of fact, most of us know to assume a product is cheap Chinese until proven otherwise. We even know that cheap and Chinese is often perfectly fine for the limited use we might make of something we buy, especially if it will only get light and limited use. It hardly makes sense to spend $250 for a cue case to protect a $99 pool cue. But thanks for your concern anyway, and for your efforts to improve cases - every advance makes the others eventually offer similar improvements to keep up with your products.

p.s. I remember seeing UJ Pucket wander into our pool hall with his cue - no case, just butt and shaft in one hand, separated by his fingers, like he was going to twirl them like a baton. Everyone else who could play had an alligator pattern Fellini, but old UJ just carried his cue as carelessly as any banger.

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Michael-Hoang said:

This is such a minor case for most detectives everywhere, given the much more serious cases that they have to devote their time to solve, it's not reasonable to expect them to go through the hassles of paperwork to obtain a warrant. Even the police officer who took the report said it is a misdemeanor. Any members here who's in the police work will tell you this. As an owner of 3 surveillance camera system, at a push of a button, I can reformat the hard drive and have any of my camera system re-recorded over from scratch. So if the owner didn't want to get involved, it's as easy as a push of a button, and I totally understand. I mean, we are not talking about rapes or murders here.

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Snooker Theory said:

You have a picture of your face after being headbutted? I would guess a headbutt would leave a little mark

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Michael-Hoang said:

This is such a minor case for most detectives everywhere, given the much more serious cases that they have to devote their time to solve, it's not reasonable to expect them to go through the hassles of paperwork to obtain a warrant. Even the police officer who took the report said it is a misdemeanor. Any members here who's in the police work will tell you this. As an owner of 3 surveillance camera system, at a push of a button, I can reformat the hard drive and have any of my camera system re-recorded over from scratch. So if the owner didn't want to get involved, it's as easy as a push of a button, and I totally understand. I mean, we are not talking about rapes or murders here.

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ShootingHank said:

Pool players are notorious for committing crimes if you think gambling is one. Personally I don’t think gambling is illegal on a pool table but if gambling was involved and somebody was assaulted then I don’t care.

It’s like the family that sues the homeowner for shooting and killing the intruder. Lol he was committing a crime.

Snitches get stitches.

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SJpilot said:

If he was injured the police would have followed up.

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cardiac kid said:

Many years ago, a irate player assaulted a referee during the BCAPL event at the Riv. Riv security refused to call Metro. They wanted to handle it themselves. The ref called Metro himself and the player was arrested and charged. Whether there was injury or not was not the problem. Since when is gambling or gaming as they call it in Vegas illegal?

Lyn

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garczar said:

Not sure about Vegas but a lot of casinos only allow gambling on THEIR games. That's what causes the friction at DCC every year.

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Michael-Hoang said:

I am glad that you are happy with your purchase. This is what our country is all about, the freedom to choose for yourself, not being dictated nor bullied into something else. If you are happy with your choice, that's all that matters.

As for protection, I beg to differ from your opinion. I know of many, many people who routinely carry $20,000 worth of cues or more in their ACME cases. Recently, Melling's expensive personal cue was transported in an ACME case by a shipping company. The box was badly damaged, got banged up, badly messed up the case, but his cue was safe. This is public knowledge and directly from the person who shipped Melling's cue inside the ACME case.

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