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I knew a fellow that thought he was a good boxer because he was in a position to befriend a lot of "professional boxers". It cost him azzwhippens till he realized he wasn't what he thought/wished he was.

Do you know anyone like the "wannabe" boxer in the pool world?
  
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09-21-2019, 07:10 AM

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More accurately: about what he may or may not have done.

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whereís the tape?
My question is when the video becomes available are you going to watch it from start to finish?

I for one will just accept that it happened. No one is asking me for money.


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09-21-2019, 07:35 AM

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My question is when the video becomes available are you going to watch it from start to finish?

I for one will just accept that it happened. No one is asking me for money.
I will most def watch the ENTIRE THING....

Not bashin ya Lou, but, if you are going to contest someone's already accepted accomplishment, you should at the very minimum use the proper terminology. It is not "tape" and I seriously doubt it will be on any sort of "tape"...

Footage, video, recording..... Seriously, this whole thing is a total joke. JS is one badass 14.1 player and everyone who is HATING, should go look in the mirror and realize you aint nothing in the scope of all of what he accomplished!

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p.s. I been trying to stay out of this whole load of bullcrap, but, it is beyond RIDICULOUS!!!
  
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09-21-2019, 07:51 AM

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My question is when the video becomes available are you going to watch it from start to finish?

I for one will just accept that it happened. No one is asking me for money.

I don't know -- it's been long enough that I've kinda lost interest.

If what you're really asking is if I'm going to do a forensic analysis of it, no. There are others here that do that kind of thing far better than moi.

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09-21-2019, 07:55 AM

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I will most def watch the ENTIRE THING....

Not bashin ya Lou, but, if you are going to contest someone's already accepted accomplishment, you should at the very minimum use the proper terminology. It is not "tape" and I seriously doubt it will be on any sort of "tape"...

Footage, video, recording..... Seriously, this whole thing is a total joke. JS is one badass 14.1 player and everyone who is HATING, should go look in the mirror and realize you aint nothing in the scope of all of what he accomplished!

Trent

p.s. I been trying to stay out of this whole load of bullcrap, but, it is beyond RIDICULOUS!!!

Good grief, talk about nitpicking.

Tape, smape. It's a generic term and everyone knows there's no actual tape. It's not unlike people talking about what someone else said here when it reality it's about what people have written.

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09-21-2019, 08:45 AM

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I don't know -- it's been long enough that I've kinda lost interest.

If what you're really asking is if I'm going to do a forensic analysis of it, no. There are others here that do that kind of thing far better than moi.

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I like to play straight pool. Watching high runs is like watching paint dry or grass grow though.

I don't think I'm unusual in this regard. That was my thought about it.

Hope he figures out a way to monetize his accomplishment but that also seems unlikely to me.


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Mr?? Newflash - 09-21-2019, 09:16 AM

No one who views this tape will ever learn anything about straight pool. It won't be displayed anywhere. Guinness will only recognize a record if they secure the proof and the rights to use the proof. Same with the Smithsonian. You can review each for application for a record and none exist for 626 Billiards run. No one can look at the film and comment about each and every shot prior to taking the shot or the next or the next shot. Mosconi planned and played three to seven shots ahead of himself. Not being appreciative of the accomplishment is one thing, but to realize the damage to the game of 14.1 Straight Pool/Continuous is another thing. JS had NOTHING to lose in this run, only a self important gain. It's not like he was scaling Mt. Everest, no danger of being injured by a machine that he was working on, this was just another pool game. He may have fallen asleep, fell on the table and interrupted the pattern that you speak so highly of. He might have broken a fingernail. Who knows. The damage to the game is that JS will not be the last one to just make up any process and pursue that to a new record. The small vocal membership for and against this BS is equally small percentage of AZB's membership, even including the trolls. Sorry, but you're witnessing the facts of life.

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09-21-2019, 09:31 AM

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Good grief, talk about nitpicking.

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I have always had a lot of respect for you on here, always keep it clean and usually you hit the nail on the head on most topics.


I feel shame for all of you who would rather choose to TEAR DOWN/ CALL AN ESTABLISHED PRO A LIAR(and all the industry people who witnessed it and signed off on it) than celebrate such an AWESOME LIFETIME ACCOMPLISHMENT!

Take it or leave it, it is my opinion and it will be my last post here on this topic.

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09-21-2019, 11:44 AM

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No one who views this tape will ever learn anything about straight pool. It won't be displayed anywhere. Guinness will only recognize a record if they secure the proof and the rights to use the proof. Same with the Smithsonian. You can review each for application for a record and none exist for 626 Billiards run. No one can look at the film and comment about each and every shot prior to taking the shot or the next or the next shot. Mosconi planned and played three to seven shots ahead of himself. Not being appreciative of the accomplishment is one thing, but to realize the damage to the game of 14.1 Straight Pool/Continuous is another thing. JS had NOTHING to lose in this run, only a self important gain. It's not like he was scaling Mt. Everest, no danger of being injured by a machine that he was working on, this was just another pool game. He may have fallen asleep, fell on the table and interrupted the pattern that you speak so highly of. He might have broken a fingernail. Who knows. The damage to the game is that JS will not be the last one to just make up any process and pursue that to a new record. The small vocal membership for and against this BS is equally small percentage of AZB's membership, even including the trolls. Sorry, but you're witnessing the facts of life.

Better take a different angle and re examine life, not sure you got the facts of it straight.


Bizarre reasoning and conclusion.


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No one who views this tape will ever learn anything about straight pool. It won't be displayed anywhere. Guinness will only recognize a record if they secure the proof and the rights to use the proof. Same with the Smithsonian. You can review each for application for a record and none exist for 626 Billiards run. No one can look at the film and comment about each and every shot prior to taking the shot or the next or the next shot. Mosconi planned and played three to seven shots ahead of himself. Not being appreciative of the accomplishment is one thing, but to realize the damage to the game of 14.1 Straight Pool/Continuous is another thing. JS had NOTHING to lose in this run, only a self important gain. It's not like he was scaling Mt. Everest, no danger of being injured by a machine that he was working on, this was just another pool game. He may have fallen asleep, fell on the table and interrupted the pattern that you speak so highly of. He might have broken a fingernail. Who knows. The damage to the game is that JS will not be the last one to just make up any process and pursue that to a new record. The small vocal membership for and against this BS is equally small percentage of AZB's membership, even including the trolls. Sorry, but you're witnessing the facts of life.

I donít know anything about Guinness records or if he is even looking for that, from what heís said he wants to put the video out so why wouldnít anyone learn anything? I learn something all the time watching pool.

JS announced that he was trying to run over 526 and even live streamed his attempts. To me that put mad pressure on him. It was a pretty bold implied statement and he knew he might end up looking silly if he failed. No one likes to look silly.

I see no chance for ďdamageĒ to 14.1 lol. What an odd thing to say. His high run attempts were the same format as the DCC high run attempts. It would be a little awkward and tiresome to start a high run by safe breaking and then playing both sides until he sold himself out a shot...or whatever some think he should have done. Maybe have his racker act as tomato can opponent.

Matches are played to 150 or 200 tops normally so itís not feasible to try it there. Itís a high run. It is a display of what you can do in 14.1 once you get an open shot.

Aaanyway Iím just stalling here before I have to go for a drive.
  
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No one who views this tape will ever learn anything about straight pool. It won't be displayed anywhere. Guinness will only recognize a record if they secure the proof and the rights to use the proof. Same with the Smithsonian. You can review each for application for a record and none exist for 626 Billiards run. No one can look at the film and comment about each and every shot prior to taking the shot or the next or the next shot. Mosconi planned and played three to seven shots ahead of himself. Not being appreciative of the accomplishment is one thing, but to realize the damage to the game of 14.1 Straight Pool/Continuous is another thing. JS had NOTHING to lose in this run, only a self important gain. It's not like he was scaling Mt. Everest, no danger of being injured by a machine that he was working on, this was just another pool game. He may have fallen asleep, fell on the table and interrupted the pattern that you speak so highly of. He might have broken a fingernail. Who knows. The damage to the game is that JS will not be the last one to just make up any process and pursue that to a new record. The small vocal membership for and against this BS is equally small percentage of AZB's membership, even including the trolls. Sorry, but you're witnessing the facts of life.
I don't think Guinness has anything to do with the old record or the new record...its just some obscure stat, interesting and remarkable to a few, meaningless to most. John didn't set out to do something dangerous or daring and Mosconi didn't either...why even bring up such a thing. What John did is a record. If you want to reason that it doesn't break Mosconi's record then fine...they are two different records. I can't run 7 balls most days but I have a tough time saying running 626 the way John did is any more or less difficult than winning an exhibition match after making 150 and deciding to keep shooting. Did Mosconi break at the beginning of the exhibition match or pick up after his exhibition opponent missed?

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Have a nice Day! - 09-21-2019, 01:08 PM

G'head, have a nice drive. Get this BS off your mind. Nothing personal, just passing time anywho.
  
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Not bashin ya Lou, but, if you are going to contest someone's already accepted accomplishment, you should at the very minimum use the proper terminology. It is not "tape" and I seriously doubt it will be on any sort of "tape"...
Lou is an old-school PAO.

He wrote Joe Biden's speech about how teachers should get a raise and how parents should have their "record players" on at night to teach their children.

Also, he is a 14.1 expert and Mosconi's record will never be broken, no matter how many balls anybody runs.
  
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Lou is an old-school PAO.

He wrote Joe Biden's speech about how teachers should get a raise and how parents should have their "record players" on at night to teach their children.

Also, he is a 14.1 expert and Mosconi's record will never be broken, no matter how many balls anybody runs.
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I still believe John did what accomplished and I am astonished at how many haters there are out there.

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I like to play straight pool. Watching high runs is like watching paint dry or grass grow though.

I don't think I'm unusual in this regard. That was my thought about it.

Hope he figures out a way to monetize his accomplishment but that also seems unlikely to me.

I can understand this sentiment but knowledge and experience is part of being able to appreciate many things in life.

Perhaps it's like wine or cigars -- to some they're just a drink or a smoke. But others are able to detectcect a huge host of fine details and differentiate a slew of small but important details between different tobaccos or grapes. To me, when I watch someone play 14.1, I can pick out all kinds of subtleties. Or in the case of 1pocket, watching a couple of nights of Orcullo and Chohan, I have already learned two subtle but personally important things that I went to the pool table today and immediately incorporated into my own game.

Some guys see stuff like that, others see paint drying. YMMV.

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