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08-15-2019, 01:12 PM

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A logical argument, but here practice trumps theory because I said he was frozen to the rail and in practice, opponent will be hard pressed to put him frozen to the rail again, let alone twice. If they left him off the rail, he had gained something at the expense of one point. If they somehow managed to freeze him twice (probably less than a 10% chance), he'd have to play the safety from underneath.

The strategy usually applies when neither player is on a foul and the shooter is frozen to the bottom rail under a tight pack, but is reasonable even on a foul.

Finally, if opponent were on a foul and you are not, the correct shot is to send the cue ball to the top of the table in the middle of the table without disturbing the pack at all.
Agree with all of the above- in practice it would be extremely hard to send him back AGAINST the rail twice- but I would try it if he were on the first foul and sitting against the back of the stack, and yes, if an opponent is one one foul and I am on the bottom rail behind the stack i WOULD either feather a corner ball and move the cue ball up table center facing a relatively undisturbed rack, or sometimes you can make a legal safe behind the stack by hitting either one of the second balls in from the end ball on the bottom row, which can freeze the cue to the stack and send one ball out from the stack( the first ball directly above the corner balls) to touch a cushion.
  
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08-15-2019, 01:34 PM

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... yes, if an opponent is one one foul and I am on the bottom rail behind the stack i WOULD either feather a corner ball and move the cue ball up table center facing a relatively undisturbed rack, or sometimes you can make a legal safe behind the stack by hitting either one of the second balls in from the end ball on the bottom row, which can freeze the cue to the stack and send one ball out from the stack( the first ball directly above the corner balls) to touch a cushion.
Grazing the corner ball is virtually never a good idea here. If executed well, it will almost never place pressure on opponent, whose worst case scenario will usually be having to take a back scratch. If executed poorly, you sell out. Even if you execute it well, you can create a dead combo in the rack, which would be an unlucky sell out, but a risk you simply don't have to take.

If opponent is on one and you are not, the back of the stack safety, usually hitting the second or fourth ball full to (typically, but not always) send one ball to the long rail, it just doesn't place any pressure on opponent, as they can escape to the other side of the table. Take a foul and put them at the top center of the table and their next shot is a toughie and you're way ahead in the safety battle.

Straight pool is less like nine ball and more like one pocket in the sense that defense is developed gradually, and few safety battles are ever won in a single inning.

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08-15-2019, 02:11 PM

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Grazing the corner ball is virtually never a good idea here. If executed well, it will almost never place pressure on opponent, whose worst case scenario will usually be having to take a back scratch. If executed poorly, you sell out. Even if you execute it well, you can create a dead combo in the rack, which would be an unlucky sell out, but a risk you simply don't have to take.

If opponent is on one and you are not, the back of the stack safety, usually hitting the second or fourth ball full to (typically, but not always) send one ball to the long rail, it just doesn't place any pressure on opponent, as they can escape to the other side of the table. Take a foul and put them at the top center of the table and their next shot is a toughie and you're way ahead in the safety battle.

Straight pool in less like nine ball and more like one pocket in the sense that defense is developed gradually, and few safety battles are ever won in a single inning.
Yes, I see your point now, agreed!
  
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