Looking for League Operators advice

obrien714

obrien714

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I am looking to start a league in our area. We play in a non sanctioned league where all the monies end up back in the operators pocket through the purchase of trophies, patches and shirts from their own business. I have played APA, TAP, and BCA. I have just looked at the UPA website.

I asking for any advice or suggestions to what leagues you run and why you like them.

In my book APA and TAP are out.

Thanks

Pat
 
Donny Lutz

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Speaking from experience...

obrien714 said:
I am looking to start a league in our area. We play in a non sanctioned league where all the monies end up back in the operators pocket through the purchase of trophies, patches and shirts from their own business. I have played APA, TAP, and BCA. I have just looked at the UPA website.

I asking for any advice or suggestions to what leagues you run and why you like them.

In my book APA and TAP are out.

Thanks

Pat
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Although I'm not currently directing any leagues, I have in the past. But I may have more experience playing in leagues as anyone around, having played league for every year but seven since 1966.

I would suggest BCAPL, VNEA or ACS. I like their rules, format, and the fact that if you play in the league you're automatically qualified for all state and national events...no qualifying by standings, play-offs or any such elimination steps...if you want to go to Vegas, you go! Also, weekly fees do not go into a black hole somewhere unknown.
 
RunoutJJ

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Did you ever consider trying out the NAPA league?? By far the best league Ive ever played in :wink:
 
CreeDo

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At the risk of starting a squabble, some specific reason APA and TAP are out?
APA in my area has been enjoyable. I think any league can do well if the LO gets involved and has good intentions
(i.e. he stays involved, can be contacted easily, and it's not just a cash cow for him).

You're already doing some sort of house league? Why the switch? From my experience house leagues are often some of the best ones, especially in terms of winning your money back at the end of the year.
 
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Meezer Girl

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I run BCA in San Diego - BCAPL Sanctioned. Have 4 Divisions.

NOT handicapped - all cash league - 90% of money is returned to players via MVP categories, money added to season ending tournament and team prize money - everyone gets money (1st a lot more than last but everyone is paid).

My admin fee is 10% which covers my gas, wear & tear on tires/brakes & additional oil changes due to a lot of travel (going around to collect scoresheet/money envelopes each week), copies of "paperwork" for each team. That leaves about $1.00 an hour for the time to calculate & produce the weekly "stat sheet" LOL - I don't make a living from it, I have a "real" job.

The 10% has been a standard fee in our area for all the cash leagues I have played in since 1987.

The BCA only receives $15 per year for their "card" fee - they do not receive any of our "league funds". You can use their rules for your local play or not (but you really should if you have players who plan on going to Nationals so they will be completely familiar with the rules).

IMO the BCA has the BEST Nationals out there :)
 
jschelin99

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It depends what you're looking for. If nobody in the league cares about going to state or national tourneys just run an independent league. No sanction fees required, more money back to the players.

If state or national tourneys are wanted, then I would suggest BCAPL. They really don't care how you run your league, and they put on one heckuva national tourney.

In order to run a VNEA league you have to own your own vending company, so that's pretty much out, huh?

I don't know anything about TAP or APA, so perhaps they're great organizations, too.

That's my 2 cents.
 
juspooln

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starting and running a league takes a lot more work than most people think
no matter what acronym you have behind you being a great LO goes a long way I made my decision after over 3 years of research 2 years ago and I and my members highly enjoy it

I would give you my opinion on which league format I like best but my signature probably gives it away

If you have any questions regarding the UPA or running leagues in general feel free to contact me
 
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RBC

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DoubleD said:
Non-affiliated cash-only league. Non-handicapped.

This is from a players perspective. I won't play any other type of league. I don't want a trip to vegas, I don't want handicaps. I want to play with my friends and have the better team win.

dld
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It's funny that you say that, because I was going to say almost the exact same thing about the BCA league I play in. Everything except for the non sanctioned part.

Going to Vegas is a choice, and none of my dues go towards anyone going. Only the sanction fee, once a year goes to the BCA. Our league operator takes a small amount from the weekly dues to compensate himself, but everything else goes into the prize fund and is paid back to the players. He works hard and should get paid. He runs an excellent league.

It's a masters league, so we don't have any handicaps. It's you against the other guy, one on one. We have pretty tough competition too. Right now we have both Jeremy Jones and CJ Wiley in our league. CJ hasn't played much lately, but get this, he and Jeremy are on the same team! And they're not even in first place!
 
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Meezer Girl said:
I run BCA in San Diego - BCAPL Sanctioned. Have 4 Divisions.

NOT handicapped - all cash league - 90% of money is returned to players via MVP categories, money added to season ending tournament and team prize money - everyone gets money (1st a lot more than last but everyone is paid).

My admin fee is 10% which covers my gas, wear & tear on tires/brakes & additional oil changes due to a lot of travel (going around to collect scoresheet/money envelopes each week), copies of "paperwork" for each team. That leaves about $1.00 an hour for the time to calculate & produce the weekly "stat sheet" LOL - I don't make a living from it, I have a "real" job.

The 10% has been a standard fee in our area for all the cash leagues I have played in since 1987.

The BCA only receives $15 per year for their "card" fee - they do not receive any of our "league funds". You can use their rules for your local play or not (but you really should if you have players who plan on going to Nationals so they will be completely familiar with the rules).

IMO the BCA has the BEST Nationals out there :)
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I agree....
 
mrmagoo42

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All leagues have something to offer players

I am having a great time playing ACS here in the midwest. The perks here are Casino based regional tournaments that are close to home and pretty upscale compared to other options in our area. We have 2 major events with Iowa state and midwest regional tournaments that are a blast.
 
CreeDo

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RBC said:
Right now we have both Jeremy Jones and CJ Wiley in our league. CJ hasn't played much lately, but get this, he and Jeremy are on the same team! And they're not even in first place!
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LMAO that team would have to name itself "The Club" and all the other teams would have names like "Baby Seal #1"... "Baby Seal #2"... "Baby Seal #3" etc.

Doesn't BCA have some rule like "only 1 grand master allowed" even in a masters league?
 
obrien714

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thanks for the replies so far

I have played in a great BCA league in South Florida and loved it. The Vegas event is awsome.

I am against the apa and tap due to the sandbagging issues. When i moved back home and watched these matches and saw what a joke it was. Guys beating balls around all night into the rails was horrible.

Thanks again for the inputs.

Were all just tired of getting trophies. Although they are nice, handing out over 500 trophies a season isnt helping anyone but the owner of the league/trophy shop.
 
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CreeDo said:
LMAO that team would have to name itself "The Club" and all the other teams would have names like "Baby Seal #1"... "Baby Seal #2"... "Baby Seal #3" etc.

Doesn't BCA have some rule like "only 1 grand master allowed" even in a masters league?
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last I knew yes..baby seal #...to funny..still chuckling.
 
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onepocketron

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Played BCA for the last 15+ years. Pay $12 a night per man play 5 man teams. The league operator takes $2 to keep all the stats, the other $10 is all paid back to the players in the league. In this particular league, everone gets something, even last place. If your in 3rd or better, you will make a little cash. Go to any BCA event as long as you got your 8 weeks in for sanction (I believe it's 8 weeks). Vegas, state, city, you name it, get the 8 weeks in and all you have to do is pay and go.
 
Duane Tuula

Duane Tuula

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Run your own BCAPL league. You pick the format and fees. You (or someone) take a small cut to do weekly bookwork as previously mentioned. The rest of the money is back to the players.

Now, you can ADD money in many ways. Team fees (once per season), added money from location (bar, etc) or raffles (like a weekly 50/50 if legal).

Most locations I have seen are more than willing to bring in guaranteed business and may help with shirts, trophies & banquets.
 
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lorider

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GoBilliards said:
Interesting to read the opposite of my experience.
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i currently play in 3 leagues.
apa , napa and an in house money league under bcapl rules. i agree with jj about napa being the best league.

the majority of the stronger players in my area play strictly napa. a few play in other leagues also like i do.

imo napa offers the best of of what apa and bcapl has to offer. its call your shot and open break like bcapl but you match up in a race to your handicap like apa.

i have a higher win % in apa and bcapl but i like the challenge napa offers better. every time i face our 90- to 120 handicap players i learn something from them. the 1st time i faced jason evans he shut me out 9-0, the 2nd time it was 9-3. one of these days i will beat him.:grin-square:

we have some pretty sporty players in apa and the bcapl format money league but they cant compete with the high level players who play strictly napa or the apa masters.

napa is the league the more serious players in our area choose to join.
 
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