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11-22-2019, 05:35 AM

The players in the league should get together and voice their complaints to the league operator and then all boycott playing league there if the establishment wont take care of the equipment. Then the league operator should talk to the owner to correct the issues or just not allow teams to play out of there. The players in a league are the "customers". The league operators and establishments are benefiting more than the players.
  
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11-22-2019, 05:56 AM

For your specific conditions, you could bring a shorter cue. You could also bring a brush and brush the table yourself as well as clean the balls with a microfiber cloth and an aramith ball cleaning solution. Also, take note of where the trouble spots are, so you can lay viscious "snookers" caused by obstacles and not play yourself into the same.

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11-22-2019, 06:57 AM

What's funny is that most of us probably first started playing pool on old Valley barboxes with shag carpet felt. 30 years ago I loved them and shot lights out pool, regardless of table condition. I could walk in, grab an old Valley Supreme 19oz cue off the wall, and play some damn good pool. It's all we knew.

Then a few years later a poolhall opened up nearby with Diamond tables, and they kept them clean, also kept the balls nice and clean. Now I'm spoiled, as many of us are, by the fast cloth and consistent playing conditions of excellent, well maintained equipment. Now if I go to a place with an old beat up barbox, the first couple of games are typically a struggle, then I get used to it.

Dirty/dull balls play slower, and they throw more, which can cause you to unexpectedly miss some shots. Add to this the slow action of dirty cloth and dead rails, and there's not many things you can do to combat the horrible conditions. Still, dirty and worn simonis is better than felt. But try this....

1. Walk around the table and check the rails for places where the cushion looks like its loose or sagging. Shoot the cb into each cushion in several places, listening for dead spots.

2. Never slow roll a ball. Every shot should be hit with at least medium to firm speed. Not many finesse shots turn out well on a dirty barbox.

3. Use less english. The balls throw more, and even though the table plays slow, a cb with running english leaves the rail with more speed than normal, much faster than you think it will. Inside english on some shot angles doesn't grab as well and the cb tends to slide on its way off the cushion instead of grabbing and sending it where you think it will go. All of this makes position play a bit inconsistent.

4. Play most shots for longer position than you think. I mean, if you're shooting a ball in the corner and bouncing the cb off the rail toward center table, it's likely going to come up 6 to 10 inches short, so you'll typically want to play it a little longer than you think you should.

5. Use a shorter bridge, not "letting your stroke out" as you would on a bigger and better table.

6. Laugh at the rediculous rolls that might occur -- don't get frustrated.

Simply recognizing the worst conditions -- dead rails, table levelness, cleanliness, etc.... -- can help you play correct and accurate shots, as well as good position, or good enough position. Make yourself aware of the bad conditions and play accordingly. If you ignore them you deserve all the bad rolls you get.


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11-22-2019, 07:31 AM

Played at a bar last night that has an old fashioned wooden phone booth in the racking end. Ever shot with your back leg in one? The other guy had to 3 times.
  
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11-22-2019, 08:01 AM

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Played at a bar last night that has an old fashioned wooden phone booth in the racking end. Ever shot with your back leg in one? The other guy had to 3 times.
I used to play in a bar that had about a 2 foot high block wall/divider between the doorway entry and the pool table. It was about 3 feet from the table and you had to straddle it every time there was a shot to shoot from that side of the table, which was quite often.


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11-22-2019, 08:41 AM

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2. Never slow roll a ball. Every shot should be hit with at least medium to firm speed. Not many finesse shots turn out well on a dirty barbox.

Not to mention that barboxes are 99% of the time nowhere close to level.

Have lived by the "no finesse on barbox" rule for years.


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11-22-2019, 08:55 AM

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Not to mention that barboxes are 99% of the time nowhere close to level.

Have lived by the "no finesse on barbox" rule for years.
Yep. And there's always those rare moments when a finesse shot comes up and you think, "This table isn't playing too bad", so you finesse the shot and miss. Then you tell yourself, again, "Idiot...I knew better but did it anyway!" Lol


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11-22-2019, 10:23 AM

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]Learn to shoot stun-run-through shots, rather than slow rolling. You can also use TOI, as that tends to make cueball control easier on such equipment. [/COLOR]

If you're playing on crap conditions, recon is always paramount. Is there one or more dead rails or dead spots on the rail, is the table leaning, if so which way, is there a bad pocket, are the balls equal weight etc? That last part is paramount. If there is a replacement ball or more try some draw shots off them. If you get more draw, they're heavier, if you get less, they're lighter. I've seen top players get screwed over from not getting the right amount a draw off a bad replacement ball. Usually, if the conditions are really bad, there is probably a bad pocket or two.

When you get to a place, casually walk around the table feeling the cushions. You'll usually feel if they are lose or mabye "wavy" meaning the nose varies in height. Try to banks some balls off every cushiona and listen intently for the sound made. If the cushion makes a lower sound, usually the rail has loose bolts. Any bank shot off it will go long and run a shorter distance. Do some 3 cushion shots to find the short and long side of the table and check for anomalies. Feel and look at the pocket facings to see if they're "cupped". If they are, they are likely to spit balls hit with
speed and spin. Shoot some lag shots to see if the table is leaning. Feel the cloth and look intently, to look for condition, holes, worn spots and to see where the break lines are. Observe when people are breaking, what speed is being used, and which balls go.

Remember that your opponent has to play on the same equipment, and even if he knows it, he may not know how to use the information he has to his benefit and he may not know all that a thourough examination can reveal. So keep your mouth shut and use the information to your advantage.
Agreed, TOI works especially well with these conditions. A bit more emphasis on which part of the pocket your hitting for shape vs english with Valley buckets


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11-22-2019, 11:20 AM

Seriously, Iíve played in some real dive bars, little $10
8 ball tournaments.. table ainít level, rails are a joke,
mismatched balls, loud crappy music, the lot.

My tactic? Roll with it, put the brain on hold,
a few beers, a few laughs.. I have an old
Dufferin sneaky thatís beat to sh*t, has a
jump joint for shots with no room.

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11-24-2019, 03:23 PM

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Seriously, Iíve played in some real dive bars, little $10
8 ball tournaments.. table ainít level, rails are a joke,
mismatched balls, loud crappy music, the lot.

My tactic? Roll with it, put the brain on hold,
a few beers, a few laughs.. I have an old
Dufferin sneaky thatís beat to sh*t, has a
jump joint for shots with no room.

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11-24-2019, 03:29 PM

If you play there often enough, just go an hour early one week, and clean the balls and table. Polished balls make the biggest difference, even if you do nothing else, IMO. You can clean them by hand with Aramith ball cleaner and some elbow grease.
  
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