Inside on rail shots?

Island Drive

Otto/Dads College Roommate/Cleveland Browns
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Froze or Not?

Thanks for the replies. I agree with Patrick on this. If I hit the ball right it hugs the rail no matter what English I use. I do use inside and rail first on a real thin cut but I try to avoid those shots when possible.

It's impossible to answer your question correctly, unless we have the information asked in Thread #5.
 

Island Drive

Otto/Dads College Roommate/Cleveland Browns
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Dr. Dave covers this as well. His high speed videos show the difference between outside and inside english on frozen rail shots:

https://billiards.colostate.edu/high-speed-video/hsv-4-10/

https://billiards.colostate.edu/high-speed-video/hsv-4-14/

Thanks, but the OP thread title never said IF the ball was frozen or not.

Those two link/video/attachments, show me two different ball collision situations with very little cue ball speed, one with the rail compressed before hitting the obj ball from underneath (4-14) and thee other hitting the contact point and the rail at the same time, but it shows NOTHING about cue ball speed in relation to the shot at hand and the contact point change. To understand the relationship between obj. ball contact point and cue ball speed, this video is not good information, unless the Doc explains the change to do cue ball speed, contact, ball cleanliness and humidity levels.
 
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Island Drive

Otto/Dads College Roommate/Cleveland Browns
Silver Member
The ball is frozen. If it's not it's not a rail shot.

Just making sure. I've heard the expression "shot down a rail" but hearing that does not tell me or ''mean'' it's frozen is all.

Just making sure, not getting into and argument.

But to answer a question properly, especially on this open forum, having NO clue of your skill and level of knowlege, I need to understand, when we both use the same word, that we are talking about the Same thing.
 

Patrick Johnson

Fish of the Day
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If I hit the ball right it hugs the rail no matter what English I use.
Yep.

As a side note, I wish we'd get away from calling it "hugging" the rail. That sounds like the ball has to have some kind of spin that keeps it against the rail, when it really just needs to be hit on the right spot to drive it parallel with the rail.

pj
chgo
 

Island Drive

Otto/Dads College Roommate/Cleveland Browns
Silver Member
Yep.

As a side note, I wish we'd get away from calling it "hugging" the rail. That sounds like the ball has to have some kind of spin that keeps it against the rail, when it really just needs to be hit on the right spot to drive it parallel with the rail.

pj
chgo

Good point PJ....

Also....

In match play, opponent or player must use the word ''balls froze''....often their opponent will look at it, to make sure. I've seen balls called frozen and Not be actually frozen, and when looked at again from a different angle, and one player realized they ''thought'' it was, but it wasn't. I've done it myself.
 

dr_dave

Instructional Author
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Dr. Dave covers this as well. His high speed videos show the difference between outside and inside english on frozen rail shots:

https://billiards.colostate.edu/high-speed-video/hsv-4-10/

https://billiards.colostate.edu/high-speed-video/hsv-4-14/
FYI, better resources for this discussion and all related topics, whether the ball is frozen to the cushion or not, and for a wide range of angles, can be found in the videos, articles, and info under the various topics here:

rail cut shot resource pages

Enjoy,
Dave
 
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