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7 Years Later, Christian Bakers Still Fighting $135K Fine Same-Sex Wedding Cake - 01-15-2020, 04:23 AM

7 Years Later, Christian Bakers Still Fighting to Reverse $135K Fine Over Same-Sex Wedding Cake

TYLER O'NEIL
JANUARY 14, 2020


Seven years after Christian bakers refused to craft a cake to celebrate a same-sex
wedding, the bakers are again in court, fighting to reverse a judgment that wiped out
their life savings and drove them out of business. The U.S. Supreme Court sent their
case back to the Oregon Court of Appeals (OCA) last year.

In January 2013, Christian bakers Aaron and Melissa Klein refused to bake a custom
wedding cake to celebrate a lesbian ceremony. Two years later, the Oregon Bureau
of Labor and Industries (BOLI) slapped a $135,000 fine on the Kleins, citing one of
the women who requested the cake saying she had felt "mentally raped" by the
refusal. The fine wiped out the Kleins' life savings and forced their bakery, Sweet
Cakes by Melissa, out of business. They appealed, but the OCA ruled against them
in 2017. The Oregon Supreme Court refused to hear the case, but the U.S. Supreme
Court reopened it last year.

In 2018, the Supreme Court ruled in favor of Christian baker Jack Phillips, who
similarly refused to bake a cake to celebrate a same-sex wedding, even though he
gladly serves LGBT people in his shop.

In both cases, state agencies had ruled that the bakers discriminated against LGBT
people on the basis of sexual orientation. In Phillips' case, members of the Colorado
Civil Rights Commission had compared his traditional beliefs on marriage to
justifications of the Holocaust, even though Phillips' own father fought against the
Nazis in World War II.

In the case Masterpiece Cakeshop v. Colorado Civil Rights Commission, the
Supreme Court ruled that the commission had displayed "clear and impermissible
hostility" to Phillips' religious beliefs, violating his First Amendment right to free
exercise of religion. The ruling did not tackle the thornier issue of whether or not
refusing to celebrate a same-sex wedding by providing artistic event services is a
matter of free speech, however.

The Court also sent the Kleins' case back to the lower court for another decision.

"The Oregon Bureau of Labor and Industries (BOLI) ordered the Kleins to pay
$135,000. The Court of Appeals is now considering whether or not to uphold BOLI's
order. If the court concludes that BOLI acted in a non-neutral way or acted with
hostility toward religion, then the court could reverse BOLI's order," Stephanie
Taub,First Liberty Institute's lead attorney for the Kleins case, told PJ Media on

Monday. "A decision can be released at any time, likely within the next few months."

The BOLI ruling against the Kleins was remarkable for many reasons. It not only took
the lesbian couple's claims of emotional damages at face value, but also assessed
the fine against Aaron and Melissa Klein's personal property, rather than against the
business.

Like Phillips, the Kleins gladly served LGBT people at their shop, selling them any
sort of baked goods they might desire. However, both Phillips and the Kleins would
not lend their artistic talents to celebrate a ceremony that conflicted with their
religious beliefs about marriage.

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http://https://pjmedia.com/lifestyle...-wedding-cake/


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It is hard getting justice when you are White Christian.

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This stupidity is still going on?

On the upside. Trump has seated about 190 new justices.

So actual justice may be rendered.


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"7 years later" it seems like every "Christian Baker" I've ever seen of TV has meet his maker. Oral Roberts (my senile granmother's personal favorite), Jimmy Graham, Billy Swaggart, etc.

I'm. guessing the lot were god fearing GOPhers.

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Yeah, that's me crying because my 91 year old senile grandmother "donated" a big chunk of her money to Oral Roberts instead of Jim Baker.

I'm an atheist, we will all be worm food at the end of the day.

I don't give a ratz ass about silly assed Christians. But it's so FUNNY making fun of "christians" and their "values."

What does that Donald Trump "experiment" kool aid taste like my "Christian" friends? Are there any fake bone spurs in the pot? What about Vodka...comrade?

It's the "Christian Way" or the Hi-Way. Remember, it's kinder and gentler nation these days. If the Jews want Rail Service, No Problem. We aim to please.

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Yeah, that's me crying because my 91 year old senile grandmother "donated" a big chunk of her money to Oral Roberts instead of Jim Baker.

I'm an atheist, we will all be worm food at the end of the day.

I don't give a ratz ass about silly assed Christians. But it's so FUNNY making fun of "christians" and their "values."

What does that Donald Trump "experiment" kool aid taste like my "Christian" friends? Are there any fake bone spurs in the pot? What about Vodka...comrade?

It's the "Christian Way" or the Hi-Way. Remember, it's kinder and gentler nation these days. If the Jews want Rail Service, No Problem. We aim to please.
What’s wrong Pangit?

The family a little bitter about grandma giving her money to Oral Roberts, and now you’re scraping by living on a shithole island in the 3rd world.




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So if I went to a bakery who would not make me a Cake to my specifications, I would go to another Backery that would. This is BULL***T, IMHO.

If I wanted to join some special Club, Country Club, and say they said NO JEWS, think I would find another Club, or Country Club were JEWS if I was Jewish were welcome.

I am sure if I was 18 y/o wanted to apply to some all BLACK UNIVERSITY my application would be rejected because I was not the right color.


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So if I went to a bakery who would not make me a Cake to my specifications, I would go to another Backery that would. This is BULL***T, IMHO.

If I wanted to join some special Club, Country Club, and say they said NO JEWS, think I would find another Club, or Country Club were JEWS if I was Jewish were welcome.

I am sure if I was 18 y/o wanted to apply to some all BLACK UNIVERSITY my application would be rejected because I was not the right color.
If you were a Jew and walked into the only grocery store within 200 miles of your home and they said they wouldn’t serve you because you were a Jew, what would you do?
Say, “no problem”, and gas up for the trip to the next store? Oh wait, the only gas station within 200 miles also doesn’t serve Jews.
  
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If you were a Jew and walked into the only grocery store within 200 miles of your home and they said they wouldn’t serve you because you were a Jew, what would you do?
Say, “no problem”, and gas up for the trip to the next store? Oh wait, the only gas station within 200 miles also doesn’t serve Jews.
That's a BS analogy.

The wedding cake people did not refuse service to these people. They said they would not decorate the cake.

So the 'couple' could have had their cake, and eaten it, too.




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That's a BS analogy.

The wedding cake people did not refuse service to these people. They said they would not decorate the cake.

So the 'couple' could have had their cake, and eaten it, too.
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That's a BS analogy.

The wedding cake people did not refuse service to these people. They said they would not decorate the cake.

So the 'couple' could have had their cake, and eaten it, too.
Then you agree it would have been wrong if they refused to serve them? They just don’t have to decorate their cake.
  
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If you were a Jew and walked into the only grocery store within 200 miles of your home and they said they wouldn’t serve you because you were a Jew, what would you do?
Say, “no problem”, and gas up for the trip to the next store? Oh wait, the only gas station within 200 miles also doesn’t serve Jews.

Well the question I would ask is how would they know you were Jewish? But I get your point.

Honestly the people who wanted the Cake lived in a place with many bakeries.


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