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08-15-2018, 02:31 PM

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With 30 players, are they going to stick with 7 days?

When will the round-robin matches end?
Seems kind of silly they'll be wasting the first 2+ days of round robin group matches just to whilttle the total field down from 30 players to 24 players. Everyone advances to the 2nd phase with the exception of the last place finisher in each of the 6 groupings.
  
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08-15-2018, 03:35 PM

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Seems kind of silly they'll be wasting the first 2+ days of round robin group matches just to whilttle the total field down from 30 players to 24 players. Everyone advances to the 2nd phase with the exception of the last place finisher in each of the 6 groupings.
It was 5 groups of 6.

I'm sure DP thinks they had good reasons for not altering the 7-day format (the "promise" that entrants would get to play at least 4 or 5 matches; schedules already made by players, administrators, guests, and spectators; the "need" to allow for the HOF dinner; etc). But, to me, taking 7 days for this is excessive. Just think how much in time and expenses could have been saved by doing it more efficiently.

And if we had a way of holding a true, well funded professional world 14.1 championship, many of the players in this year's event (as in the past events) would not even be eligible because of skill level. But that's not the way the pool world is today, so maybe we should just be happy that we have this event, and a couple other events, showcasing at least some of the best 14.1 players.
  
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08-16-2018, 06:12 AM

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It was 5 groups of 6.

I'm sure DP thinks they had good reasons for not altering the 7-day format (the "promise" that entrants would get to play at least 4 or 5 matches; schedules already made by players, administrators, guests, and spectators; the "need" to allow for the HOF dinner; etc). But, to me, taking 7 days for this is excessive. Just think how much in time and expenses could have been saved by doing it more efficiently.

And if we had a way of holding a true, well funded professional world 14.1 championship, many of the players in this year's event (as in the past events) would not even be eligible because of skill level. But that's not the way the pool world is today, so maybe we should just be happy that we have this event, and a couple other events, showcasing at least some of the best 14.1 players.

Regrettably, I have seen this stunt for years, pulled off by various promoters.

They setup an event knowing very well that they will never get a full field and then create a hostage situation, keeping all the players prisoners for a ridiculous amount of time.

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08-16-2018, 06:27 AM

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Regrettably, I have seen this stunt for years, pulled off by various promoters.

They setup an event knowing very well that they will never get a full field and then create a hostage situation, keeping all the players prisoners for a ridiculous amount of time.

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Unfortunately Yes.

But also think of the sponsor room, who was promissed X amount of days for the event to promise them that business. so format must changed to fulfil that end of the agreement !! Think about the amount of Money the room puts into the event in hopes of a return on that in patronage !!!


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08-16-2018, 06:59 AM

It doesn't make a great deal of sense, outside of ticket prices for flights, etc, surely the players would prefer a more condensed product?
  
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08-16-2018, 07:02 AM

weird business model but what can you do?

I run into this kind of crap all the time within e-sports.
  
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08-16-2018, 07:03 AM

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Unfortunately Yes.

But also think of the sponsor room, who was promissed X amount of days for the event to promise them that business. so format must changed to fulfil that end of the agreement !! Think about the amount of Money the room puts into the event in hopes of a return on that in patronage !!!

Well sure, the venue is a valid concern.

However, let me ask you: if participation for an event has been dropping year to year; with the promoter offering open spots to anyone walking down the street to play in a "world" event; and it looks like a pretty safe bet that you're going to probably get 30-some odd players: why would you schedule a lengthy event?

Wouldn't the more prudent thing to do -- for the venue, players, and spectators -- be to condense the tournament to an appropriate length, say four days?

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08-16-2018, 07:48 AM

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Well sure, the venue is a valid concern.

However, let me ask you: if participation for an event has been dropping year to year; with the promoter offering open spots to anyone walking down the street to play in a "world" event; and it looks like a pretty safe bet that you're going to probably get 30-some odd players: why would you schedule a lengthy event?

Wouldn't the more prudent thing to do -- for the venue, players, and spectators -- be to condense the tournament to an appropriate length, say four days?

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Realistically, a small two to four day tournament, with regional qualifiers that could get some real television coverage would be the way forward. No one wants to get into a sport that is hard to find, unsure who the best players actually are, and no real prize at the end.
  
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08-16-2018, 08:19 AM

They dropped the bottom 2 players from each of the 5 groups, leaving 20 players for the first round of double elimination. 12 of the 20 have byes, the other 8 are playing now.

12 of the 20 will move on to single elimination, with 4 byes in that first round.
  
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08-16-2018, 10:54 AM

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They dropped the bottom 2 players from each of the 5 groups, leaving 20 players for the first round of double elimination. 12 of the 20 have byes, the other 8 are playing now.

12 of the 20 will move on to single elimination, with 4 byes in that first round.
This is the most unusual format I can recall. Well, not quite. Once at Magic Cue in Times Square I played in a 14.1 event that was nominally double elimination. To keep things moving along, the owner just paired up players as soon as two had finished their matches. Chart be damned.

If they felt they had to stretch the event out to the whole length, they could have done another set of round robins with longer matches, like two groups of six, and then a four-player single elimination.


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This is the most unusual format I can recall. Well, not quite. Once at Magic Cue in Times Square I played in a 14.1 event that was nominally double elimination. To keep things moving along, the owner just paired up players as soon as two had finished their matches. Chart be damned.

If they felt they had to stretch the event out to the whole length, they could have done another set of round robins with longer matches, like two groups of six, and then a four-player single elimination.
Coming out of DE with 12 players plus 4 byes is the same as last year. The difference is starting DE with 20 this year vs. 24 last year.
  
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08-16-2018, 01:40 PM

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Well sure, the venue is a valid concern.

However, let me ask you: if participation for an event has been dropping year to year; with the promoter offering open spots to anyone walking down the street to play in a "world" event; and it looks like a pretty safe bet that you're going to probably get 30-some odd players: why would you schedule a lengthy event?

Wouldn't the more prudent thing to do -- for the venue, players, and spectators -- be to condense the tournament to an appropriate length, say four days?

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I get that pool is in decline - but I agree - this event is run terribly. Look up my posts from eleven ****ing years ago about how DP can't run an event well. 11 years and it's no better. I feel like it gets put on every year just because. You could do it every other year or something if interest is lacking. It's ridiculous the low level players in here - there are reasons some much better local players can't even be talked into playing.
  
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08-16-2018, 02:53 PM

Most of the pros have given up on Charlie and won't support this event. They managed to draw enough amateurs to keep it alive for this year but for how long can it continue.
I'm a big 14.1 lover so it's very disappointing.
Even after all these negative posts it's unlikely we'll see a response from DP, unless it's to ask everyone to purchase the PPV.
  
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