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I'm 6 blocks from Jimmy's right now. - 07-03-2020, 01:45 PM

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Iíve been to Minneapolis several times during football season. Iíve always gone to Jimmyís for action. Is that where you live? If it is sorry I missed you, I always up for a lesson to expand my knowledge.
I'm doing personal lessons and I'm doing lessons on skype. Actually the skype works just as well as being there in person. The camera shows it all.

If you ever get back here again, just say my name and someone will get ahold of me in minutes.

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I have resisted posting in this thread, but this is the biggest BS post in this entire thread. Geno, you have no formal training in teaching anybody anything...and as such, have no legitimacy in talking about other REAL instructors. The truth is that dominant eye does not play a serious role in shooting pool...never has. 3000 lessons (x $200)? Hell, you should have retired long ago to spend all your money! LOL Like I told you years ago, if you just said "this works great for some players", I would have no issue with you...but the "every lesson is a home run", and )"I'm the only one who knows anything about this" comments are just baloney!

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Man, if you could just get some of the aiming system proponents to say those words there might finally be peace in the valley.

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This is not an aiming system.... - 07-03-2020, 02:33 PM

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Man, if you could just get some of the aiming system proponents to say those words there might finally be peace in the valley.

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Hi again Lou, What I teach is not really an aiming system. Aiming systems are regimental and numbers. Fractional aiming , 90 90 and many more. What I teach is not an aiming system. I didn't understand how much it was not an aiming system until I got into the deeper depths of how this effects our pool games.

When I met you in Cahokia, Ill way back in around 2011 I think. I just knew the tip of the iceberg on this. It took me another 8 years of teaching, seeing things, and finding how to fix some real visual problems we all face trying to play at that higher level.

There was no blueprint to follow or nobody to learn this from. I talked to some of the top teachers in the country with very little success. Unchartered territory. But when I would talk to some instructors they thought they knew about this, limited to knowing we have a dominant eye and favoring it was the limit.

Sometimes I would try to teach it to someone that taught, soon they were trying to teach me some stuff I already knew. they had no idea how important this was to a player's game. Usually, I would just quit trying to show them but I knew by then they had no clue how this works.

The latest, new item, in the eye-ology discovery, was just 6 months ago. I had this problem and I saw that many other players had this problem also. They have trouble getting right or left English on the cue ball. One way they get plenty, the other way they think they are getting enough but they are not. Finally figured out the dominant eye holds the key to fixing this. Once I showed this to a player they understood it quickly and then I could show them how to fix it. This was huge. Pretty much everyone has this problem unless they aim under one eye like a gun. But that's another whole story all together. There is no info on this at all. They might understand there is a problem but don't know what the fix is. And it's not, just hit a million balls.

The good news is I was stubborn enough to run around the country teaching and learning, trying to help players wherever I went.

The things I can show a player now are off the charts. There are usually about 5 or 6, You got to be kidding moments, with each lesson I do now.

I wish I knew what I know now when we met Lou.

It would have been fun to share some of these things. But back then the knowledge was limited.
  
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07-03-2020, 02:44 PM

I bought Geno's DVD early on, when did he start it, 2008 maybe? I thought it was the best thing since sliced bread, and said that here at the time (completely unsolicited). It felt like a night and difference, in like 5 minutes. I thought I might really become a player after getting my head and eyes in the correct spot. I also met him at DCC a couple years later and he gave me some in person tuneups.

The thing is, in all those years, I still shoot about the same. I didn't change the pecking order in the pool room.

One thing I will say about Geno, that maybe other people hate on, is his enthusiasm. Reading his posts and listening to him you "want" to get on the table and hit some balls and try it. I personally like that a lot. I don't think its a scam of his, I think he is genuinely super enthusiastic. I just watched Tommy Kennedy vs Archer match on Youtube, and Geno is like Kennedy. Just extremely enthusiastic about pool and life.

So people are starting to cut him up in this thread, but Geno will probably respond to them with enthusiasm, and never cut them up back.

I think its the same for any training method, really. Whether its a head/eye alignment system like Geno's, or stroke grooving, or elbow vs no elbow drop, etc etc etc. You might improve a hair, or think you will improve a lot after the initial experience, but a couple years later, you are in the same pecking order at the local pool room.

Put me down for the fundamental reason players reach a certain level "and stay there" is.... Genetics

Nature over nurture

I also find it hilarious that people say there is a shorter learning curve if you do xyz as compared to hitting tons of balls for hours per day "like the pros do". Every single pro that has ever existed, everyone in their local room knew they were going to be a player in a few months of picking up a cue. Pros don't become better because the put in more time, more practice, etc. The rate of their improvement is 10x the normal player. Then too, the pro will plateau after a few years, just like the intermediate player. The difference is their genetic propensity to control that stick is much higher. Not some aiming system. Or a stance. Or a bridge. Or a still elbow.

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I remember you my friend and appreciate the kind words. - 07-03-2020, 02:51 PM

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I bought Geno's DVD early on, when did he start it, 2008 maybe? I thought it was the best thing since sliced bread, and said that here at the time (completely unsolicited). It felt like a night and difference, in like 5 minutes. I thought I might really become a player after getting my head and eyes in the correct spot. I also met him at DCC a couple years later and he gave me some in person tuneups.

The thing is, in all those years, I still shoot about the same. I didn't change the pecking order in the pool room.

One thing I will say about Geno, that maybe other people hate on, is his enthusiasm. Reading his posts and listening to him you "want" to get on the table and hit some balls and try it. I personally like that a lot. I don't think its a scam of his, I think he is genuinely super enthusiastic. I just watched Tommy Kennedy vs Archer match on Youtube, and Geno is like Kennedy. Just extremely enthusiastic about pool and life.

So people are starting to cut him up in this thread, but Geno will probably respond to them with enthusiasm, and never cut them up back.

I think its the same for any training method, really. Whether its a head/eye alignment system like Geno's, or stroke grooving, or elbow vs no elbow drop, etc etc etc. You might improve a hair, or think you will improve a lot after the initial experience, but a couple years later, you are in the same pecking order at the local pool room.

Put me down for the fundamental reason players reach a certain level "and stay there" is.... Genetics

Nature over nurture

I also find it hilarious that people say there is a shorter learning curve if you do xyz as compared to hitting tons of balls for hours per day "like the pros do". Every single pro that has ever existed, everyone in their local room knew they were going to be a player in a few months of picking up a cue. Pros don't become better because the put in more time, more practice, etc. The rate of their improvement is 10x the normal player. Then too, the pro will plateau after a few years, just like the intermediate player. The difference is their genetic propensity to control that stick is much higher. Not some aiming system. Or a stance. Or a bridge. Or a still elbow.

Carry on
I want to make you an offer. I would like to do a free skype lesson with you my friend. Just need to be by a table and have your phone set up so I can see. Head phone are a must if your in a pool room.

I will show you some of the best info in the world. I have learned so much since way back when. These things will make the game so much more fun. Hope you accept my offer.

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07-03-2020, 03:03 PM

Geno Iíll take your offer, and Iíll pay you for the lesson refresh as well. It will be a bit because my table is full of my tax papers I have to finish and file for year 2017 and 2018! Iíll pm you soon.
  
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07-03-2020, 03:33 PM

It looks to me that this thread is coming down to the following:

Dominant Eye vs The Mother Drills

Cant wait to see who wins.


And by the way, does this thread look familiar?
https://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=260516


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It looks to me that this thread is coming down to the following:

Dominant Eye vs The Mother Drills

Cant wait to see who wins.

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I think practice what you do not do well, and if you do you will improve.

If Pool or Golf was simple to master, we would all play like Tiger Woods, or Efrin Reyes.

Reason both are top player, is effort put into game.


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I think practice what you do not do well, and if you do you will improve.

If Pool or Golf was simple to master, we would all play like Tiger Woods, or Efrin Reyes.

Reason both are top player, is effort put into game.
Right.... (sarcasm). How come Oscar is no Shane? Grew up with a top pro as a coach. How come Tony Roberto is no Oscar? How come Corey became a legit pro at age 16, when he picked up a cue for the first time in his life at age 14, (in my home pool room Drexeline Billiards in Philly Burbs). How come Corey is no Busty? How come I am not your speed? (I know you play good). How come you are not Tony Roberto speed. The list goes on. Every one of these players, me and you included, accelerated at different rates from the moment we picked up a cue. If everyone was equal, we'd all be playing like Efren. Practice time had nothing to do with it. Practice method had nothing to do with it. Fundamentals had nothing to do with it.
  
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07-03-2020, 03:50 PM

To Geno, I PM'd you, and look forward to a refresh.

Here is something you can think about before our lesson. This shot I have lots of trouble with. Cutting to the left, where I have to bridge on the rail, and my stick is at a very shallow angle to the rail. I feel very, very uncomfortable behind this shot. It just never looks right. Shooting the exact shot from the other side of the table (cutting it to the right, I have zero issues, and feel completely confident. Based on my prior lessons with you, I do believe it has something to do with my head position. But I haven't been able to nail it. Anyway, I look forward to discussing with you in person (via video).

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Right.... (sarcasm). How come Oscar is no Shane? Grew up with a top pro as a coach. How come Tony Roberto is no Oscar? How come Corey became a legit pro at age 16, when he picked up a cue for the first time in his life at age 14, (in my home pool room Drexeline Billiards in Philly Burbs). How come Corey is no Busty? How come I am not your speed? (I know you play good). How come you are not Tony Roberto speed. The list goes on. Every one of these players, me and you included, accelerated at different rates from the moment we picked up a cue. If everyone was equal, we'd all be playing like Efren. Practice time had nothing to do with it. Practice method had nothing to do with it. Fundamentals had nothing to do with it.
I say their are two kind of people Talker, and Doers. The doers are the one who actually work on getting better, or being successful at something.

Most people who do great at any sport work their butts off practing, working with instructors, and are student of the game. They watch great players, and copy their trick & techniques.

Well if you can not hit a pool ball in a straight line, you will never be good at Pool.

I think every shot has maybe 40 or 50 things to factor into the shot, so the object ball goes in, and the cue ball ends up where you want it.


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To Geno, I PM'd you, and look forward to a refresh.

Here is something you can think about before our lesson. This shot I have lots of trouble with. Cutting to the left, where I have to bridge on the rail, and my stick is at a very shallow angle to the rail. I feel very, very uncomfortable behind this shot. It just never looks right. Shooting the exact shot from the other side of the table (cutting it to the right, I have zero issues, and feel completely confident. Based on my prior lessons with you, I do believe it has something to do with my head position. But I haven't been able to nail it. Anyway, I look forward to discussing with you in person (via video).

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Once we get done this shot will be as easy as the other way. Remember I said this. You are right eye dominant.

You also have trouble putting low left English on the ball and might not even understand you do.

Low right English is real easy.

When we get done you will understand why and how to correct the problem.

Here's the deal. A player can hit a million balls and do drill until they are blue in the face and still not feel the shot is comfortable. It's called repetition. Just like chopping wood. Repetition.

OR:::::::: You can learn where everything has to be manually to see the shot as good as humanly possible. Eyes, stance and stroke. Repetition is the secret but repetition not knowing where everything needs to be takes a long time. The players that get there fast just got there naturally from doing it over and over and over. Some of us never get to the better position so we are stuck at the same level according to how good we got there naturally.

Everyone can aim a pool shot as good as everyone else and see it great if everything is lined up correctly. That's why they have golf teachers, hitting coaches. tennis coaches, football coaches, basketball coaches.

But here we are. Pool players and we think we can just get down there and figure it out. Obviously that only works with some. And the some that do it pretty good really excel when they learn the whole story.
  
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Hi again Lou, What I teach is not really an aiming system. Aiming systems are regimental and numbers. Fractional aiming , 90 90 and many more. What I teach is not an aiming system. I didn't understand how much it was not an aiming system until I got into the deeper depths of how this effects our pool games.

When I met you in Cahokia, Ill way back in around 2011 I think. I just knew the tip of the iceberg on this. It took me another 8 years of teaching, seeing things, and finding how to fix some real visual problems we all face trying to play at that higher level.

There was no blueprint to follow or nobody to learn this from. I talked to some of the top teachers in the country with very little success. Unchartered territory. But when I would talk to some instructors they thought they knew about this, limited to knowing we have a dominant eye and favoring it was the limit.

Sometimes I would try to teach it to someone that taught, soon they were trying to teach me some stuff I already knew. they had no idea how important this was to a player's game. Usually, I would just quit trying to show them but I knew by then they had no clue how this works.

The latest, new item, in the eye-ology discovery, was just 6 months ago. I had this problem and I saw that many other players had this problem also. They have trouble getting right or left English on the cue ball. One way they get plenty, the other way they think they are getting enough but they are not. Finally figured out the dominant eye holds the key to fixing this. Once I showed this to a player they understood it quickly and then I could show them how to fix it. This was huge. Pretty much everyone has this problem unless they aim under one eye like a gun. But that's another whole story all together. There is no info on this at all. They might understand there is a problem but don't know what the fix is. And it's not, just hit a million balls.

The good news is I was stubborn enough to run around the country teaching and learning, trying to help players wherever I went.

The things I can show a player now are off the charts. There are usually about 5 or 6, You got to be kidding moments, with each lesson I do now.

I wish I knew what I know now when we met Lou.

It would have been fun to share some of these things. But back then the knowledge was limited.

Geno, I know you're not teaching an aiming system.

I just thought Scott's point could be applied more broadly. I also think what you teach could help a lot of players. If you're ever thisaway I'd be interested in discussing it further.

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Skype spmeday maybe... - 07-04-2020, 01:30 PM

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Geno, I know you're not teaching an aiming system.

I just thought Scott's point could be applied more broadly. I also think what you teach could help a lot of players. If you're ever thisaway I'd be interested in discussing it further.

Lou Figueroa
At the level you play at you would grasp this in a heart beat, Not only for yourself but you could help some other young players. You got that nice smooth stroke and looks so natural. Others not so fortunate.

It would be fun to get your full input my friend. Happy Forth of July. Stay safe.
  
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Drills work alot better if you got the sights on the gun straight.
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Drills work alot better if you got the sights on the gun straight. - 07-05-2020, 12:09 AM

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It looks to me that this thread is coming down to the following:

Dominant Eye vs The Mother Drills

Cant wait to see who wins.


And by the way, does this thread look familiar?
https://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=260516


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It's not just about the eyes but coordinating the stance , the stroke also. You can't change one without the others being affected. The results I get with students is off the charts. Everything i show them they can see that it is working right away. I'm doing a skype lesson with an AZer that bought my video 10 years ago. He will be pretty excited when we get done. He will totally understand how all this works and will be able to apply it. I'm excited for him to say the least. I know how much he loves pool.
  
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