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07-29-2020, 04:24 AM

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Letís set things straight once and for all time.

There isnít any ideal weight for any pool cue.

Doesnít matter who made it or the cueís weight.

The ideal weight is whatever the player prefers.

Simple as that....Ex: some people salt their food.
Others donít......what one likes the other doesnít.

Same is true of all pool cues, custom & production.

Anyone telling you different is blowing smoke up your ass.
One is only allowed leeway within a range...the ball is about 6 ounces...2,25 inch diameter....
...it has to be accommodated no matter who you are.


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07-29-2020, 04:26 AM

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One is only allowed leeway within a range...the ball is about 6 ounces...2,25 inch diameter....
...it has to be accommodated no matter who you are.
the physics does not support your argument

changing specs does not mean changing distribution of moving forces.
  
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07-29-2020, 04:36 AM

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the physics does not support your argument

changing specs does not mean changing distribution of moving forces.
I guess it may depend how you stroke...using an unusually light cue, youíd have to force a
power shot using your muscles...and youíll lose to a player of equal ability who lets the cue
do the work.


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07-29-2020, 04:38 AM

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I guess it may depend how you stroke...using an unusually light cue, youíd have to force a
power shot using your muscles...and youíll lose to a player of equal ability who lets the cue
do the work.
A lighter cue allows for better control for variations on the low end forces, I mean soft touch shots.
  
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07-29-2020, 04:45 AM

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A lighter cue allows for better control for variations on the low end forces, I mean soft touch shots.
The touch is up to the player...I travelled with a 18.5 Joss and a 20.25 Szamboti....
...my touch felt good with either one.
Jimmy Moore had a fantastic touch...with a 21 ounce cue.


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07-29-2020, 04:47 AM

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The touch is up to the player...I travelled with a 18.5 Joss and a 20.25 Szamboti....
...my touch felt good with either one.
Jimmy Moore had a fantastic touch...with a 21 ounce cue.

I am talking about for a challenging near vertical perfect masse.

Touch hardly matters for horizontal shooting, you might as well use a mop broom for horizontal shooting, its good enough most times.
  
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07-29-2020, 04:54 AM

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I am talking about for a challenging near vertical perfect masse.

Touch hardly matters for horizontal shooting, you might as well use a mop broom for horizontal shooting, its good enough most times.
If youíre going to talk specialty cues....the good ones arenít like playing cues.


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07-29-2020, 04:57 AM

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If youíre going to talk specialty cues....the good ones arenít like playing cues.
That came up in another thread about equipment changes over the years in billiards.

Game still has 6 pockets and 15 balls and 6 rail sections and 12 points (4 sets of corners and 2 sets of sides).

What kind of special shots need specialty cues? I've seen a few, but whats on your mind?
  
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07-29-2020, 06:36 AM

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I've been playing with a cue for a very long time, a good player who I know personally wanted to try it, he's a very good player and a friend of mine, then he said to me, wow that is a light cue.

He asked me what the weight of that cue, and I told him that I don't know, I really didn't.

He brought a scale and it measured 17.1 oz, then he told me "Oh you're doing it wrong" now I didn't know why he told me this, he said that I will play much better with 19oz, or at least the minimum 18oz if I desire, but never below 18oz.

Why did he tell me this? What do you guys think, do you agree with him? I rate him as an A player so that's why his words may be right.
You should ask him what he meant. 17 oz is on the low side of what most people use. I own 3 cues. A 19 oz Schon. A Woodworth and Iorgov which I don't know the weight - probably 19 or 20.
  
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07-29-2020, 06:50 AM

I may be duplicating what many good players have already said, but, over the years in selling
hundreds of cues, I have had people walk in and say they need a 18 oz. cue or a 21 oz. cue and
so forth. I do not have the weight of the cues posted on each cue and just tell them to put the
sample shafts on the butt ends and see what cue feels good.

Countless times a person wanting a 21 oz. cue walks out with a 18.0 oz or visa versa, Like some
posts here say, what feels good. The other factor is that cues from different makers are made different
where the balance point is forward or near the butt sleeve. Either way, not matter, what feels good is what matters.

In my opinion only, many may have a total different view point, but, to me, a lighter cue is easier to stroke and your
more apt not to over hit the cue ball as much which results in a few more, slightly, but a few more balls to drop.
You may not get around the table as much, but, if your on a 7 foot table, I tend to favor a lighter cue where if I am on a
9 foot table, I tend to favor a heavier cue.

I am just a amateur player so it would be interesting to hear if top players feel that way or it's just
locked in my mind.

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07-29-2020, 10:01 AM

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He is the pro of the house, so I have no clue why he told me this then, he said I'm doing it wrong.
Tell your, "pro", I play with a 21-ounce cue, and break with an 18-ounce. His head will spin and shoot lasers.



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07-29-2020, 12:04 PM

It is not just how much the cue weighs
it is also how that weight is distributed along the cue.

{more towards the back or more towards the front}
{low polar moment, higher polar moment}
  
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07-29-2020, 12:19 PM

Wonder if anyone against light cues here has tried one? What I'm reading is you can't get distance/speed while at the same time we all know that break cues are on the light side.

Currently using 15.4oz cue for 3Cushion. There may be something wrong with that but getting around the table isn't one of them unless I'm expected to get 11 rails. I can't do that with this cue. But so what. I can't do that with any cue BTW. Tried it with a 30oz masse cue. No luck.

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07-29-2020, 12:48 PM

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What I'm reading is you can't get distance/speed [with lighter cues] while at the same time we all know that break cues are on the light side.
With a lighter cue you have to stroke faster to get the same CB speed - that might be a drawback for some. The reason they work for breaking is that you can stroke them faster, maybe (depending on your musculature) enough to move the CB faster.

If it works for you, a lighter cue can give more speed control because you use a longer range of stroke speeds to produce the normal range of pool shots - with a heavier cue you have to be precise within a shorter range of stroke speeds.

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07-29-2020, 01:07 PM

Play with whatever weight cue you want... tell your friend to shut up and go away.

That being said, a heavier cue will move the cue ball around easier.
  
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