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08-05-2020, 06:24 AM

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You said that right. Example: Glen Hancock Thread.

I know Glen Hancock and trust me there was a lot more to that attack than anyone here will ever know.

What is distressing is nothing except for what was offered from someones mouth was taken into account.

The site shouldn't allow such things which are unaccounted ad hominum attacks.

At what point do rules kick in? Attack speech is not protected speech. It is Domestic Terrorism.
What, pray tell, is "attack speech"?

And I'm quoting here: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press, or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Amendment One protects you from the government. It in no way protects you from another individual on private property (AZB). Again, out with your delusions. You're exactly the same type of individual that states the "A" in "AR15" stands for "assault". And where you stand on that issue is of no consequence; it's a correlation to incompetence. Which one can make quite easily and often with you.


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08-05-2020, 06:34 AM

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What, pray tell, is "attack speech"?

And I'm quoting here: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press, or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Amendment One protects you from the government. It in no way protects you from another individual on private property (AZB). Again, out with your delusions. You're exactly the same type of individual that states the "A" in "AR15" stands for "assault". And where you stand on that issue is of no consequence; it's a correlation to incompetence. Which one can make quite easily and often with you.
Ok, I was fine when you were disagreeing with my opinion but then you went into a personal attack on me that you don't have to prove, you just do it.

This is the very thing I'm in disagreement with.

When the Constitution was written there wasn't an internet and words used after poorly thought up accusations weren't near as important then as they are now.




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08-05-2020, 06:47 AM

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Ok, I was fine when you were disagreeing with my opinion but then you went into a personal attack on me that you don't have to prove, you just do it.

This is the very thing I'm in disagreement with.

When the Constitution was written there wasn't an internet and words used after poorly thought up accusations weren't near as important then as they are now.

The question was "What is attack speech?"

when you follow a prepared script its good

but failure to defend your points leaves your hand showing.

say "institutional racism" or "social injustice discrimination perpetuated by the failed system employing bad actors"

thats the last time Robin, especially after that marianne joke in NPR
  
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08-05-2020, 06:56 AM

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The question was "What is attack speech?"

when you follow a prepared script its good

but failure to defend your points leaves your hand showing.

say "institutional racism" or "social injustice discrimination perpetuated by the failed system employing bad actors"

thats the last time Robin, especially after that marianne joke in NPR
The attack speech occurs when an accusation that is baseless without proof of agreement or damages is leveled.

An oral assertion that something occured is he said, she said drama designed for a purpose.

In the baseless accusation the accuser should be required to post his proof used in the attack. The burden of proof should not be on the accused. In this country we say that is innocence is granted until proven guilty.

An accused persons lack of replying to an accusation is just as much of an answer to the accuser as it should be to the audience on an internet forum.It does not denote guilt.

That should have been taken to court and not the court of public opinion which the accuser was counting on winning while he damages the person he entered into a business arrangement with privately.

Given the amount of bandwidth that this subject took up. I would say the accuser we are talking about could now fear being taken to court by the same person he damaged publicly and the records are right here.

When the forum becomes an attack mechanism, then people will begin to exit which has been occuring.




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08-05-2020, 06:59 AM

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The attack speech occurs when an accusation that is baseless without proof of agreement or damages is leveled.

so if a hacker inserts fake propaganda onto a political account is that attack speech?

You have social media, a hacker takes your account over and sends a message. The message is Robin is a blue jay not a red robin.

Who is committing the attack speech?

Its coming from your account. How would other people know it was hacked?
  
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I agree-You have guys on here calling Covid a hoax. Belongs in NPR or in a mental asylum maybe.
Im not saying Covid is a hoax but you people who think its as bad as the media says it is may need to be seen by a mental specialist. The media and liberals have to flat out lie to try to make it look bad. Statistics prove that we have seen worse viruses recently and the healthy have never in history of the USA been quarantined before. And a certain segment of the population doesnt see something fishy going on here??
  
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so if a hacker inserts fake propaganda onto a political account is that attack speech? I would think so.

You have social media, a hacker takes your account over and sends a message. The message is Robin is a blue jay not a red robin. Yes attack.

Who is committing the attack speech? The hacker.

Its coming from your account. How would other people know it was hacked?
The attack isn't coming from your account, its being perpetrated on your account and because of its one dimensional display is on a screen no one would know but they would think that "Robin is a Blue Jay" in your example and not as he wanted to be known as a "Red Robin." This is the damage and the attack is the hacker. How many people saw the attack message?

When someone decides how you are and levels a public accusation without proving it, is that not attack speech?

I say it is, because it violates the Constitution of granted innocence and inserts the attacker as a public judge and jury.



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08-05-2020, 07:11 AM

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has turned into exactly what he hoped it would.
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08-05-2020, 07:14 AM

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Here is a proposal about pool tables from the NRA

National Restaurant Association

They propose to discontinue shared use entertainment

pool tables is listed

I haven't heard of any pool room reporting a covid outbreak more severe than rich people partying with out of town entertainment.

How is discontinuing a pool room saving anyone?

"Dont shoot the messenger" argue among yourselves, its just a message

any legal people from the pool community know about the following proposal?

proposals are different by state, but closing a pool hall for no reason....


https://restaurant.org/downloads/pdf...oodservice.pdf



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If shared use items are to be closed down for Covid safety protocol would that not also include restrooms?? Last time I checked whenever I am in a public business establishment the restrooms are always shared use, to me that sounds like nothing can reopen.
  
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The attack isn't coming from your account, its being perpetrated on your account and because of its one dimensional display is on a screen no one would know but they would think that "Robin is a Blue Jay" in your example and not as he wanted to be known as a "Red Robin." This is the damage and the attack is the hacker. How many people saw the attack message?

When someone decides how you are and levels a public accusation without proving it, is that not attack speech?

I say it is, because it violates the Constitution of granted innocence and inserts the attacker as a public judge and jury.
I will leave that to the more qualified legal experts. You have fleshed out the issue quite clearly. Now its up to the higher courts.
  
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08-05-2020, 07:17 AM

Cocobola Cowboy and I don't agree on much but this is one time I do agree with him. The forum has changed and part of it is due to less Pool being
played and more emphasis on "attack culture" which discourages others coming here to post. My opinion is this thread is where it needs to be.

We could do with more Pool Rooms and things would likely change.



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A- Z Billiards, the Forum has become to much about, non Pool things. NPA is getting to much play.

Use to be there were Tournment announcements, show caseing of Cues & Cases, Review of Cue & Cases.

Then you had Wanted, For Sale, and Trades.

Use to be everything "A" to "Z" about Pool, and Cue Sports.

Plus a few Pro player would once in as while chime in.

Forum original idea was great, Forum has change direction for the worst.

Anyone else agree?

Or am I alone on my thinking.
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If shared use items are to be closed down for Covid safety protocol would that not also include restrooms?? Last time I checked whenever I am in a public business establishment the restrooms are always shared use, to me that sounds like nothing can reopen.
i am not the person to ask the questions.

posting your thoughts is a relief, wans't sure if people would understand what is happening with discussions in closed rooms.

i am just pushing for schools and knew to check for pool rooms.

Billiards is organized by WPA WCBS and bla bla

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Cocobola Cowboy and I don't agree on much but this is one time I do agree with him. The forum has changed and part of it is due to less Pool being
played and more emphasis on "attack culture" which discourages others coming here to post. My opinion is this thread is where it needs to be.

We could do with more Pool Rooms and things would likely change.
Let's just break it down shall we?
Az has become about non pool things-check the main
forum, non pool threads? Just this one
WTF is NPA?
Tournament announcement- Pandemic? A bunch
of action matches posted and the site has
a calendar of tournaments.
Cues cases and reviews- Yup a couple of sub sections
for that.
Sales, yup sub section for that
A-z pool- Is it not AZ as in arizona?
Pro players- Wasn't pretty boy floyd just here?

I agree that the place has changed.
Facebook to compete with
Same topics get covered 87938474774 times
Talking shit to each other online has been here since rsb
lets not pretend it's so different.

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