I want a shaft made for my Huebler break cue, Purple Heart. Do I have to have insert made if I want nylon ? Or can you buy them? Maker is newer at this and advises against it. Thanks
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Use brass. Nylon sucks as an insert.
You want a nylon insert and that's fine, you want what you want.
Just for the sake of asking, don't you wonder why no one else uses it ?
Your 'newer at this' cuemaker is giving you good advice.
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I get what you guys are saying, I know it's in my head ,I've been shooting with Hueblers for a long time and the feel of cues with brass insert isn't there. Current shooting cue is big pin with predator shaft, have predator shaft for Huebler with brass insert can't stand it.
I get what you guys are saying, I know it's in my head ,I've been shooting with Hueblers for a long time and the feel of cues with brass insert isn't there. Current shooting cue is big pin with predator shaft, have predator shaft for Huebler with brass insert can't stand it.
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You may want to try a phenolic insert, I think it will give you the feel you are looking for. I use them in all the shafts I have built including my own and no complaints so far. You can get them here,,https://www.cuesmith.com/phenolic-inserts.html
You may want to try a phenolic insert, I think it will give you the feel you are looking for. I use them in all the shafts I have built including my own and no complaints so far. You can get them here,,https://www.cuesmith.com/phenolic-inserts.html
It's not just in your head and your not the only one who feels this way. Heubler joint screws that I've seen are smaller than a full 5/16. .302 to .304. For this reason I use a .302x18 tap on the nylon. Tell your maker.
Momentary hi-jack alert...
Do you know what kind of miracle adhesive they use to get the nylon to sticky itself
to wood?
Don't you dare tell me to look it up
Dale(who thinks it is not epoxy)
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Kyle beat me to looking for the inserts!
As for the Nylon... Yes I did mention that there are better techniques, including the phenolic. But I have never pushed someone from what they want! Kyle is partial to the nylon insert so that is what he will get. I did however try to push him to letting me make custom ones which would include some mechanical holding capabilities to aid in the adhesion issues with nylon to wood. But seeing how partial he is to the original design that is what he will get. :thumbup: He has managed to scout a supply of them even before I got a chance to try!
Kyle as for the predator we can swap out the inserts if your really against the brass?
As for adhesion I am testing 2 types (West & Apollo 2025) with roughing and a little prep I don't see any issue with either. However I am leaning towards 2025 due to its faster set time and 24 hour cure time, West might pull into the wood to much for my liking on this? I'll know more once I cut into my test peices and give them a tugging of war match with my double ended pin (please no dirty mind comments needed)
I am however unaware of the inserts specs that he will be getting, so I can't comment on the machining techniques yet....
As for the Nylon... Yes I did mention that there are better techniques, including the phenolic. But I have never pushed someone from what they want! Kyle is partial to the nylon insert so that is what he will get. I did however try to push him to letting me make custom ones which would include some mechanical holding capabilities to aid in the adhesion issues with nylon to wood. But seeing how partial he is to the original design that is what he will get. :thumbup: He has managed to scout a supply of them even before I got a chance to try!
Kyle as for the predator we can swap out the inserts if your really against the brass?
As for adhesion I am testing 2 types (West & Apollo 2025) with roughing and a little prep I don't see any issue with either. However I am leaning towards 2025 due to its faster set time and 24 hour cure time, West might pull into the wood to much for my liking on this? I'll know more once I cut into my test peices and give them a tugging of war match with my double ended pin (please no dirty mind comments needed)
I am however unaware of the inserts specs that he will be getting, so I can't comment on the machining techniques yet....
Epoxy doesn't matter as much as mechanical bond.Kyle beat me to looking for the inserts!
As for the Nylon... Yes I did mention that there are better techniques, including the phenolic. But I have never pushed someone from what they want! Kyle is partial to the nylon insert so that is what he will get. I did however try to push him to letting me make custom ones which would include some mechanical holding capabilities to aid in the adhesion issues with nylon to wood. But seeing how partial he is to the original design that is what he will get. :thumbup: He has managed to scout a supply of them even before I got a chance to try!
Kyle as for the predator we can swap out the inserts if your really against the brass?
As for adhesion I am testing 2 types (West & Apollo 2025) with roughing and a little prep I don't see any issue with either. However I am leaning towards 2025 due to its faster set time and 24 hour cure time, West might pull into the wood to much for my liking on this? I'll know more once I cut into my test peices and give them a tugging of war match with my double ended pin (please no dirty mind comments needed)
I am however unaware of the inserts specs that he will be getting, so I can't comment on the machining techniques yet....
Try 1/2 13 tpi with a shoulder ( about 1/ 4"' unthreaded on top ).
Any slow set eopxy will do.
Nylon will cross threax easily though.
I'd refuse to use it unless it's kevlar.
Thanks Mr Webb predator shaft I bought for one of my Hueblers just doesn't feel right, back to my Zinzola.
Lol, brass doesn't have the 'feel' for a break cue. Brass or phenolic will hold up to breaking better.
You can't go wrong there.
The insert on your predator can easilly be changed. I tell people to treat Heublers like a wood threaded joint. Backwards first...seat the thread. You'll have no trouble. Mr. Heubler was a very gifted Cue maker. Instead of condemning his methods, I respected them.
Thanks Steve I've got some originals coming from someone, will keep that in mind.
