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Predator BK2 bumper thread - 05-18-2020, 06:38 AM

Is the Predator BK2 bumper thread the same as the thread in older Predator playing cues that don't fit the Predator QR extension?

In other words, if there is a custom extension (not Predator) for which the bumper fits the BK2 - will it fit my Predator 5k4?
  
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05-18-2020, 07:19 AM

Not sure, but the newer stuff is M16 x 1.5.

I know this is correct for the below as I 3D print adapters/extensions.


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05-18-2020, 07:22 AM

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Is the Predator BK2 bumper thread the same as the thread in older Predator playing cues that don't fit the Predator QR extension?

In other words, if there is a custom extension (not Predator) for which the bumper fits the BK2 - will it fit my Predator 5k4?
I thought the older Predators just had a push in bumper. Easy eneogh fix.


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05-18-2020, 10:39 AM

Here is my Predator 5k4 thread, in the first two pictures.

In the third picture is a bumper and thread of a BK2.

In short, I found someone who is selling extensions that he says fit his BK2, but I don't want to buy it until I'm sure that it will fit my Predator 5k4 cue too.
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05-18-2020, 11:03 AM

Is there no way for you to measure it? If the diameter is 16mm, you'd be half way there. It does look like 1.5 per mm, but that's just by the pics. Do both fit?

Is the person selling it capable of making an adapter?
  
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05-18-2020, 12:30 PM

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Here is my Predator 5k4 thread, in the first two pictures.

In the third picture is a bumper and thread of a BK2.

In short, I found someone who is selling extensions that he says fit his BK2, but I don't want to buy it until I'm sure that it will fit my Predator 5k4 cue too.
I hear ya and I agree. I don't know the answer.


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05-18-2020, 01:10 PM

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Is there no way for you to measure it? If the diameter is 16mm, you'd be half way there. It does look like 1.5 per mm, but that's just by the pics. Do both fit?

Is the person selling it capable of making an adapter?
I can't measure it, and he can't make an adapter, he just sells the extensions.

I'm just sure that this thread is different from new Predator cues that can fit the QR adapter (listed in the picture).
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05-18-2020, 02:04 PM

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I can't measure it, and he can't make an adapter, he just sells the extensions.

I'm just sure that this thread is different from new Predator cues that can fit the QR adapter (listed in the picture).
Just e-mail Predator, but it sounds like no, it won't work.

If I'm reading you correctly and you are already sure the thread is different than the 2012+ models (the ones in the picture from the seller), then it shouldn't work.

That said, if you e-mail Predator and get the spec. for the old style thread, you could possibly have an adapter made by a 3D printing service, although you'd have to supply the drawing. Although possible, that's not a sure thing if the hole is smaller on the 5k4 than it is on the newer style. Now if the hole is bigger on the 5k4, you're in great shape. If it's smaller it's doable too, but wall strength of the printed part may become an issue (and I wouldn't attempt it without access to a printer for trial and error).

EDIT: After looking at your 5k4 picture closely, you can surely print that.

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05-18-2020, 02:19 PM

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Just e-mail Predator, but it sounds like no, it won't work.

If I'm reading you correctly and you are already sure the thread is different than the 2012+ models (the ones in the picture from the seller), then it shouldn't work.

That said, if you e-mail Predator and get the spec. for the old style thread, you could possibly have an adapter made by a 3D printing service, although you'd have to supply the drawing. Although possible, that's not a sure thing if the hole is smaller on the 5k4 than it is on the newer style. Now if the hole is bigger on the 5k4, you're in great shape. If it's smaller it's doable too, but wall strength of the printed part may become an issue (and I wouldn't attempt it without access to a printer for trial and error).

EDIT: After looking at your 5k4 picture closely, you can surely print that.
Maybe you didn't understand me.

This dude is selling extensions that fit BK2, and I want to buy that extension, and QR2 by Predator DOESN'T fit BK2.

So I want just to know is BK2's bumper thread the same as in my Predator 5k4, if it is than I can use the extension that he is selling, which is different than QR2.
  
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05-18-2020, 03:03 PM

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Maybe you didn't understand me.

This dude is selling extensions that fit BK2, and I want to buy that extension, and QR2 by Predator DOESN'T fit BK2.

So I want just to know is BK2's bumper thread the same as in my Predator 5k4, if it is than I can use the extension that he is selling, which is different than QR2.
Ahhh, so you're hoping the BK2 and 5k4 have identical threads. Well, since both predate the newer style according to my searches, I think things look good. You of course should e-mail them, but how many different threads could they of made in that ~5 year time period?

Also, maybe the seller sells adapters for both the old and newer style. About 2 or 3 years ago I bought a 12" CF extension off of e-bay were the seller had adapters for both. The extension was O.K., but the adapter wasn't. The adapter was just trash, but the extension was very good if you could over look the weight. I bought it because I was told that it was lighter than the official extension, and while that is factually true, it was only lighter by something like .25 ounces.

Here's a picture of the original on the left and clone on the right. What you don't see is how on the clone, the center whole is not center, and that threw off the alignment to a noticeable amount.



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05-22-2020, 05:27 PM

Did you get an answer to this? I wanted to add the adapter to my little 3DP collection.

Predator gave me an ambiguous answer that doesn't make sense if your 5k4 is already threaded. Here is the answer...

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The diameter is .57. 
The extension is .62, so there's room to thread it.
  
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05-23-2020, 12:51 AM

Yes, I asked Predator and they said that BK2 and 5k4 have the same, old, weight bolt system.
  
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05-23-2020, 01:13 AM

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Yes, I asked Predator and they said that BK2 and 5k4 have the same, old, weight bolt system.
But what does that mean about the threading for an extension?
  
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05-23-2020, 01:15 AM

I have no idea, that is the answer they gave me.
  
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05-23-2020, 03:01 PM

Well, I have to give up as well.

I know an adapter could be printed if the difference is only .05", but I'm surprised Predator isn't mentioning the threading. Are you sure there is atual threading and not just grooves to hold the bumper in? From the pictures it's kind of hard to tell if it's just grooves or grooves from threading.
  
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