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03-20-2017, 09:39 AM

Walter Tevis wouldn't even know, because the movie has an entirely different plot than the book. It's two different stories. Tevis wrote Color of Money as a sequel to the Hustler. It's about Eddie hooking up with Fats to do some ESPN matches. They become very good friends. Unlike the movie, there is no hot shot, upcoming star. I liked the movie, but the book is a much better story.

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Great response JMD,

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When you listen to Eddie real closely after Amos asks him "Do you think I need to lose some weight?", smiles and leaves; it hits home.

Eddie: How could I get suckered like that?

You got to work hard.

That takes a real gift to show your a$$ like that.

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a little too cocky...
right amount of jerk...
to miss all those f@#$% signals.

I think Amos realized that Eddie was on the hustle and out-hustled him. That made it even worse for Eddie when he realized what had happened. By asking about his weight, Amos was rubbing it in.

Later, when Eddie forfeited his match with Vincent, it was a moment of redemption for his past sins and another teachable lesson for Vincent. It hit home for Eddie when his girlfriend told him she was a big fan of "character" in people. Took him back to when Burt forced him into retirement. Burt said he had talent but lacked character; but Eddie picked up character in a hotel room in Louisville.


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03-20-2017, 09:59 AM

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Walter Tevis wouldn't even know, because the movie has an entirely different plot than the book. It's two different stories. Tevis wrote Color of Money as a sequel to the Hustler. It's about Eddie hooking up with Fats to do some ESPN matches. They become very good friends. Unlike the movie, there is no hot shot, upcoming star. I liked the movie, but the book is a much better story.
Spot on. I read both books last summer. Fats has a big presence in the Color of Money book and Vincent is non existent. Eddie learns from Fats how to play barbox pool to earn money. Fats basically retires on money he makes on barboxes.


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03-20-2017, 10:05 AM

He was hustled by being beat by his own pride...he just couldn't play as well as he used to and couldn't accept it. Although not expressed the same way, it was in the COM book. The whole book is about Eddie's desire to get his speed back and compete at the top level, after having lost most of it since he quit "big time pool" per the Hustler's end, divorce, bankruptcy, etc. Redemption of his self worth, not some higher thing, but his own value to himself.

The movie was great, not as good as the book, but almost IMHO...it was a very cool story and a good vehicle for a sequel; doing the actual book in a movie might have been a tough box office sell.


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03-20-2017, 01:25 PM

i know i am late to the party but here is the part of the scene
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBvyB2dTnlQ
  
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03-20-2017, 02:17 PM

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i know i am late to the party but here is the part of the scene
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBvyB2dTnlQ
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03-20-2017, 05:06 PM

One thing that hasn't been mentioned (here) is that Eddie was a straight pool player in his past, while Amos was a 9-ball player. There is something to be said for changing games.


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03-20-2017, 05:50 PM

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In my mind Eddie was a sucker.
He was a go off with booze, women and even at his best game, pool.
Even when he beat the guys in the bar , he wasn't satisfied with getting the money , he had to taunt them, until they broke his thumbs.
In my book, that is a sucker.
He just happened to play better than most.
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03-20-2017, 08:52 PM

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Amos was a great actor / hustler. Great at making himself look like he was not a good pool player. Eddie was hustled, but even after he realized it, he kept wanting to play more (because he thought he was the better player). It was a really depressing scene (I always thought). That line that Amos says at the end of the scene was funny though. He says something like "Do you think I need to lose some weight?", and then walks away laughing (if I remember correctly). It has been a long time since I seen the movie.
Oh that's why TK 6 is on Eddie's Cadillac???


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03-21-2017, 04:55 AM

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How about a spoiler alert, huh pal?
Sorry, I will spend an extra 20 minutes as I flagellate today.
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03-21-2017, 05:58 AM

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In my mind Eddie was a sucker.
He was a go off with booze, women and even at his best game, pool.
Even when he beat the guys in the bar , he wasn't satisfied with getting the money , he had to taunt them, until they broke his thumbs.
In my book, that is a sucker.
He just happened to play better than most.
Wow, that sums it up better than anything I could've written - and this is why actually both films are just plain bad.
It's just the same character and crap and degenerates all over again, it's actually very boring.
Also the "I'm the best" acting quickly gets old when it's done in ALL scenes or situations.
There is no struggle, no improvement, no learning, no actual consequences as a human being.

The best scene for me was Forest Whitaker's character in the pool hall, how and what he said. While very short the portrayal of this character was unbeliveable deep and moving. You might not agree, but you are sympathetic.

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How about a spoiler alert, huh pal?
Booooh.....
First, you are a grown man, you can watch a movie with joy even if you know the ending or general plot - because that's not what a movie is about.
Second, what did you think would be written here?

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Booooh.....
First, you are a grown man, you can watch a movie with joy even if you know the ending or general plot - because that's not what a movie is about.
Second, what did you think would be written here?

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It was a joke, fellas.

I don't blame you for not getting it. The level of internet stupidity out there has made subtle humor tough to recognize. I should know better by now. I think it's called "Poe's Law of the Internet".

I once read a Lincoln assassination joke on a forum somewhere, and responded with, "Too soon, man! Too soon!"

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It was a joke, fellas.

I don't blame you for not getting it. The level of internet stupidity out there has made subtle humor tough to recognize. I should know better by now. I think it's called "Poe's Law of the Internet".

I once read a Lincoln assassination joke on a forum somewhere, and responded with, "Too soon, man! Too soon!"

The truly funny part was reading the follow-on responses from the Mensa candidates who insisted that I was, indeed, serious.
You are still wrong, and in the wrong... your post had zero subtlety and zero clue
it was in jest - only arrogance would lead to presuming we could read your mind,
or ever care to.

And YOU have the unmitigated gall to accuse others of stupidity...

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Oh that's why TK 6 is on Eddie's Cadillac???
What is leading you to believe TK 6 meant something ???


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