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07-31-2019, 10:16 AM

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In both 2000 and 2001, Corey has strong Mosconi Cups, gong a combined 7-1. Then again, that was, when Deuel was among the top five players in the world and before Europe became competitive. In recent years, he's played pretty poorly and his play in last year's Mosconi Cup was very weak.

Still, I think Thorpe and Styer, both of whom had solid Mosconi performances a year ago, get in, and it comes down to Max and Corey for the final spot on Team USA It would be hard to argue that Max is the better player of the two, but if Max plays well in the Kremlin Cup in Russia, he will likely get the nod. Wishing both of them the best of luck.

Omission of Tyler Styer or Billy Thorpe would really hurt Team USA's chances against Team Europe.
Between Corey and Max, both are well past their primes - Max is 46 and Corey is 41. Corey was easily the far better player at his peak - 15+ years ago, but Max is likely playing closer to how he played at his peak than Corey is.

It would seem to be a safer move to go with Corey (10 previous Mosconi Cup appearances), which would be duplicating the same victorious team as in 2018. I don't see Corey playing as poorly again as he played last year, and who knows how Max (0 previous Mosconi Cup appearances) would handle the enormous pressure of the Mosconi Cup?

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07-31-2019, 10:17 AM

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In both 2000 and 2001, Corey has strong Mosconi Cups, gong a combined 7-1. Then again, that was, when Deuel was among the top five players in the world and before Europe became competitive. In recent years, he's played pretty poorly and his play in last year's Mosconi Cup was very weak.

Still, I think Thorpe and Styer, both of whom had solid Mosconi performances a year ago, get in, and it comes down to Max and Corey for the final spot on Team USA It would be hard to argue that Max is the better player of the two, but if Max plays well in the Kremlin Cup in Russia, he will likely get the nod. Wishing both of them the best of luck.

Omission of Tyler Styer or Billy Thorpe would really hurt Team USA's chances against Team Europe.
Thanks, Iíll have to check those out.

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07-31-2019, 10:23 AM

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... Has Corey Deuel ever had a great year at the cup?

The times Iíve seen him he hasnít done very well. Heís one of my favorite players for sure but I donít know if that type of competition is his thing. He seems more like a creative artist than a high pressure 9 balling machine.
Corey Deuel's 10-year Mosconi Cup record is shown below for singles (s), doubles (d), trebles (tr, played only in 2006), teams (t) and totals for Methods A and B.

Method A counts a full win or loss for each player in each match (i.e., not splitting the point into fifths or sixths for teams matches, or thirds for trebles matches, or halves for doubles matches).

Method B counts a full point for each player in a singles win or loss, half a point for each player in a doubles win or loss, a third of a point for each player in a trebles win or loss, and one-fifth of a point (one-sixth in 2006 when the teams had 6 players) for each player in a team win or loss.

2000 -- 2-0 s, 2-1 d, 4-1 total A, 3.0-0.5 total B
2001 -- 1-0 s, 2-0 d, 3-0 total A, 2.0-0 total B
2002 -- 1-1 s, 1-2 d, 2-3 total A, 1.5-2.0 total B
2006 -- 1-1 s, 2-0 d, 2-0 tr, 2-0 t, 7-1 total A, 3.0-1.0 total B
2007 -- 0-1 s, 1-2 d, 1-0 t, 2-3 total A, 0.7-2.0 total B

2009 -- 0-1 s, 2-1 d, 1-0 t, 3-2 total A, 1.2-1.5 total B
2010 -- 1-1 s, 1-2 d, 0-1 t, 2-4 total A, 1.5-2.2 total B
2014 -- 0-1 s, 2-1 d, 0-1 t, 2-3 total A, 1.0-1.7 total B
2015 -- 1-0 s, 0-3 d, 1-0 t, 2-3 total A, 1.2-1.5 total B
2018 -- 0-2 s, 1-1 d, 0-1 t, 1-4 total A, 0.5-2.7 total B

Total -- 7-8 s, 14-13 d, 2-0 tr, 5-3 t, 28-24 total A (winning percentage of 54%), 15.6-15.1 total B (51%)
  
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07-31-2019, 06:18 PM

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Corey Deuel's 10-year Mosconi Cup record is shown below for singles (s), doubles (d), trebles (tr, played only in 2006), teams (t) and totals for Methods A and B.

Method A counts a full win or loss for each player in each match (i.e., not splitting the point into fifths or sixths for teams matches, or thirds for trebles matches, or halves for doubles matches).

Method B counts a full point for each player in a singles win or loss, half a point for each player in a doubles win or loss, a third of a point for each player in a trebles win or loss, and one-fifth of a point (one-sixth in 2006 when the teams had 6 players) for each player in a team win or loss.

2000 -- 2-0 s, 2-1 d, 4-1 total A, 3.0-0.5 total B
2001 -- 1-0 s, 2-0 d, 3-0 total A, 2.0-0 total B
2002 -- 1-1 s, 1-2 d, 2-3 total A, 1.5-2.0 total B
2006 -- 1-1 s, 2-0 d, 2-0 tr, 2-0 t, 7-1 total A, 3.0-1.0 total B
2007 -- 0-1 s, 1-2 d, 1-0 t, 2-3 total A, 0.7-2.0 total B

2009 -- 0-1 s, 2-1 d, 1-0 t, 3-2 total A, 1.2-1.5 total B
2010 -- 1-1 s, 1-2 d, 0-1 t, 2-4 total A, 1.5-2.2 total B
2014 -- 0-1 s, 2-1 d, 0-1 t, 2-3 total A, 1.0-1.7 total B
2015 -- 1-0 s, 0-3 d, 1-0 t, 2-3 total A, 1.2-1.5 total B
2018 -- 0-2 s, 1-1 d, 0-1 t, 1-4 total A, 0.5-2.7 total B

Total -- 7-8 s, 14-13 d, 2-0 tr, 5-3 t, 28-24 total A (winning percentage of 54%), 15.6-15.1 total B (51%)
Good stuff here. Corey hasn't really had a good Mosconi Cup since 2006.
  
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Isnít Max Eberle a flat-earther?
  
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07-31-2019, 08:22 PM

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Isnít Max Eberle a flat-earther?
I think so and Max is a cool dude whatever his beliefs are. I know the the road to flat hell is paved with cool dudes.

A Couple of years ago I sat at the Bar with Max and chatted about art, Max was very complimentary about mine and was very easy to talk to. I sometimes wish that the Mosconi cup was not so much about whos best but rather high light how interesting some of the players are that have a great game but might not be the best.

Some players dedicate their whole life to the game without a pot of gold waiting for them.

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I think so and Max is a cool dude whatever his beliefs are.
You betcha. I've known Max for many years and I'm proud to call him a friend. He is a class act in every respect.
  
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07-31-2019, 11:31 PM

wasn't it a bigger group last year? just curious how it ended up being just deuel and eberly. i would like to see for example josh roberts, chris robinson and ellerman be in contention for a spot
  
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Isnít Max Eberle a flat-earther?
Yes and he so rude and crazy I had to unfriend him on facebook. He isnít playing enough to handle the mosconi pressure. I for one hope he doesnít make the cut.


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Yes and he so rude and crazy I had to unfriend him on facebook. He isnít playing enough to handle the mosconi pressure. I for one hope he doesnít make the cut.
Not sure what youíre talking about.....Max has friends all around the globe....

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I think so and Max is a cool dude whatever his beliefs are.
I donít know how relevant his beliefs about that are to pool, but it gives me some pause about his ability to represent the US.
  
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I don’t know how relevant his beliefs about that are to pool, but it gives me some pause about his ability to represent the US.
pool players, not diplomats

if Max and Corey are the last two standing i'd like to see them get down and play a race to 30 to secure the final spot

30K in the middle + the trip may bring out the best (or worst) in one or both

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pool players, not diplomats

if Max and Corey are the last two standing i'd like to see them get down and play a race to 30 to secure the final spot

30K in the middle + the trip may bring out the best (or worst) in one or both

i like C if this comes to pass
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pool players, not diplomats

if Max and Corey are the last two standing i'd like to see them get down and play a race to 30 to secure the final spot

30K in the middle + the trip may bring out the best (or worst) in one or both

i like C if this comes to pass
When it comes to the Mosconi Cup team, what we need to know is who can win a race to five, not a race to thirty. No playing your way into a short race, it's perform now or lose --- late match pressure from the start.
  
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When it comes to the Mosconi Cup team, what we need to know is who can win a race to five, not a race to thirty. No playing your way into a short race, it's perform now or lose --- late match pressure from the start.
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