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Fargorate Ethical Question - 08-29-2019, 12:29 PM

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I have been asked to play on somebody's BCA team for Vegas next year, and with our current fargo total we could play in the gold division. Also if I chose to, I could play in the silver singles. Years ago, before I knew much about fargo, I was given a 525 starter rating (don't know how this was calculated) and I'm now at 535 with 20 games robustness. I play significantly stronger than my fargo, but I'm not sure what to do about it. Should I just play the tournaments I'm able to play in until my fargo catches up with my speed? I don't love playing on bar tables or playing tournaments and I'm probably not going to be a regular in any league, except maybe playing the weeks I need to qualify for Vegas, so I don't know how to go about achieving an accurate fargo rate. Is it unethical for me to be playing these tournaments or is that just what people do until their fargo's are accurate and established?


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08-29-2019, 01:46 PM

You're going to need to buck up and get 180 games in before then to play.
Need 200 robust for BCA League - Vegas.
Best I can recall anyways.
  
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08-29-2019, 01:51 PM

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You're going to need to buck up and get 180 games in before then to play.
Need 200 robust for BCA League - Vegas.
Best I can recall anyways.
Is this a recent rule? The 20 games I have are from a Vegas team tournament 2 or 3 years ago that I was allowed to play in with 0 games. If you ask me, I think a minimum robustness requirement is a great idea, aside from the fact it would disqualify me from playing in 2020


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08-29-2019, 02:10 PM

yep, 200 is the threshold;
is it just games played?
Seems like there was some other factors in there that renders a players robustness.

It hasn't come together yet, there will be a way to play12 games on a
Saturday afternoon and they'll post in the big book, just not there yet.
  
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08-29-2019, 02:44 PM

You shouldn’t intentionally lower your rating, but I wouldn’t think it’s your responsibility to fix it if it’s wrong. However, the BCA leagues say this:

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We take player ratings very seriously. A player who intentionally enters an event with a transitional or starter rating that is too low for his or her ability, is cheating. Be aware that we have tools in place to monitor players who are consistently and significantly performing above their rating during the event. CSI reserves the right to disqualify any player without refund. Therefore, if you believe you are underrated, contact CSI prior to the registration deadline.
This is in the context of a story about a player who was “overheard bragging” about being rated too low, and who was then disqualified.

So I think the fact that you posted this means that you know you are underrated, and you therefore should tell CSI or risk being disqualified.
  
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08-29-2019, 03:20 PM

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I have been asked to play on somebody's BCA team for Vegas next year, and with our current fargo total we could play in the gold division. Also if I chose to, I could play in the silver singles. Years ago, before I knew much about fargo, I was given a 525 starter rating (don't know how this was calculated) and I'm now at 535 with 20 games robustness. I play significantly stronger than my fargo, but I'm not sure what to do about it. Should I just play the tournaments I'm able to play in until my fargo catches up with my speed? I don't love playing on bar tables or playing tournaments and I'm probably not going to be a regular in any league, except maybe playing the weeks I need to qualify for Vegas, so I don't know how to go about achieving an accurate fargo rate. Is it unethical for me to be playing these tournaments or is that just what people do until their fargo's are accurate and established?
There is no minimum of Fargo games to play in Vegas. The only thing you need to do is play 8 weeks(40 games) in your local league to qualify.
If you play in tournaments that get submitted to Fargo your rating will adjust to your true playing ability eventually....about 200 games or so.
If your Fargo goes up too much, your team may not qualify for the Gold division, something to keep an eye on.



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08-29-2019, 03:45 PM

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There is no minimum of Fargo games to play in Vegas. The only thing you need to do is play 8 weeks(40 games) in your local league to qualify.
If you play in tournaments that get submitted to Fargo your rating will adjust to your true playing ability eventually....about 200 games or so.
If your Fargo goes up too much, your team may not qualify for the Gold division, something to keep an eye on.
See that's what I thought. Maybe I'll just remove myself from the situation so I don't screw these guys up for Vegas. Thanks


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08-29-2019, 04:20 PM

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There is no minimum of Fargo games to play in Vegas. The only thing you need to do is play 8 weeks(40 games) in your local league to qualify.
If you play in tournaments that get submitted to Fargo your rating will adjust to your true playing ability eventually....about 200 games or so.
If your Fargo goes up too much, your team may not qualify for the Gold division, something to keep an eye on.
Chris,

Isn't it 8 weekly matches or 32 games minimum?

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08-29-2019, 04:23 PM

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Chris,

Isn't it 8 weekly matches or 32 games minimum?

Lyn
When I played a few years ago I had 8 weeks in a BCA league but they weren't reported to fargo so I technically had 0 games in the system.


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08-29-2019, 05:05 PM

With that 525 starter rating? Did you play APA or were you asked for any other measurement of your "speed"? I'm cheating by playing the starter rating YOU gave me? lol.
  
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08-29-2019, 05:10 PM

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You shouldn’t intentionally lower your rating, but I wouldn’t think it’s your responsibility to fix it if it’s wrong. However, the BCA leagues say this:



This is in the context of a story about a player who was “overheard bragging” about being rated too low, and who was then disqualified.

So I think the fact that you posted this means that you know you are underrated, and you therefore should tell CSI or risk being disqualified.
All players think they are rated too low. The more established they are the more they say it. It's the new thing.


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08-29-2019, 05:17 PM

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All players think they are rated too low. The more established they are the more they say it. It's the new thing.
Yes, but the problem is when the BCA agrees with you, they don't blame themselves they penalize the player. I don't get disqualifying, why not just adjust on the fly? We started you at 525, but looks like your a 585 so that's what you'll be playing as next match. Problem solved. If anything they should apologize to both players.
  
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08-29-2019, 05:29 PM

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All players think they are rated too low. The more established they are the more they say it. It's the new thing.
Yeah, but nobody is rated lower than me.
  
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08-29-2019, 06:05 PM

...um, I hadn't seen it.


the 200 may be for csi tournaments, there were some changes last season..
I do now recall the 8 match's for BCA league to be sanctioned, for the year.
  
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08-29-2019, 11:02 PM

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With that 525 starter rating? Did you play APA or were you asked for any other measurement of your "speed"? I'm cheating by playing the starter rating YOU gave me? lol.
I played APA like 6 years ago I was a 7/9, but that doesn't mean much and nobody asked anyway.


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