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Arrow Caravan of the Diseased - 10-25-2018, 07:06 AM

It is not just colds that they have.

Sickness, fear, harassment in Mexico whittle away at caravan

MAPASTEPEC, Mexico (AP) — Little by little, sickness, fear and police harassment are whittling down the migrant caravan making its way to the U.S. border, with many of the 4,000 to 5,000 migrants who resumed their journey Thursday complaining of exhaustion.

The group, many with children and even pushing toddlers in strollers, departed Mapastepec at dawn with more than 1,000 miles still to go before they reach the U.S. border.

They had advanced about 95 miles (150 kilometers) as the crow flies since thousands burst across Mexico’s southernmost border six days earlier.

The column stretched for more than a mile as the migrants left the town square where many spent the night. The municipality of some 45,000 people, along with churches and volunteers, offered some medicine and donated water, clothing baby formula and baby bottles.

As they reached the highway, families with young children packed sidewalks asking for donations and rides to the next stop, Pijijipiapan, about 25 miles (40 kilometers) further ahead.

Melkin Claros, 34, was traveling with his 7-year old son and a teenage nephew and remained steadfast in his goal. “Everyone’s objective is to arrive (in the United States),” he said, adding that he planned to request asylum because gangs made it impossible to live in Honduras.

“It’s true you risk your life a lot here, but we risk more in our country.”

Still, Mexican officials say nearly 1,700 have dropped out of the caravan to apply for asylum in Mexico, and a few hundred have accepted government offers to bus them back to their home countries.

Carlos Roberto Hernandez, of Yoro province in Honduras, dropped out after developing a rumbling cough during the scorching daytime heat and evening rains.

“We got hit by rain, and ever since then I’ve had a cold,” Hernandez said. Asked Wednesday if he would make another attempt to reach the U.S., he said emphatically: “No. I’m going to make my life in Honduras.”

For Pedro Arturo Torres, it appeared to be homesickness that broke his determination to reach the U.S.

“We didn’t know what lay ahead,” said Torres. “We want to return to our country, where you can get by — even if just with beans, but you can survive, there with our families, at peace.”

The Mexican federal government’s attitude has also played a role in wearing down the caravan.

All the food, old clothes, water and medicine given to the migrants have come from private citizens, church groups or sympathetic local officials.

The federal government hasn’t given the migrants on the road a single meal, a bathroom or a bottle of water. It has reserved those only for migrants who turn themselves in at immigration offices to apply for visas or be deported.

Sometimes federal police have interfered with the caravan.

In at least one instance, The Associated Press saw federal police officers force a half-dozen passenger vans to pull over and make the drivers kick migrants off, while leaving Mexican passengers aboard. In a climate where heat makes walking nearly impossible at midday, such tactics may eventually take a toll on migrants’ health.



In Mapastepec, where the main group stayed Wednesday night, it appeared the size of the caravan had diminished slightly. The United Nations estimated earlier in the week that about 7,000 people were in the group. The Mexican government gave its own figure Wednesday of “approximately 3,630.”

Parents say they keep going for their children’s futures, and fears of what could happen to them back home in gang-dominated Honduras, which was the main motivation for deciding to leave in the first place.

“They can’t be alone. ... There’s always danger,” said Ludin Giron, a Honduran street vendor making the difficult journey with her three young children. “When (gang members) see a pretty girl, they want her for themselves. If they see a boy, they want to get him into drugs.”

Refusing either demand can be deadly. Honduras has a homicide rate of about 43 per 100,000 inhabitants, one of the highest in the world for any country not in open war.

On Wednesday, Giron crammed with her children, 3-year-olds Justin and Nicole and 5-year-old Astrid, into the seat of a motorcycle taxi meant for only two passengers. Also perched on the perilously overcrowded motorbike were Reyna Esperanza Espinosa and her 11-year-old daughter, Elsa Araceli.

Espinosa, a tortilla maker from Cortes, Honduras, said there was no work back home. “That’s why we decided to come here, to give a better future for our children,” she said.

Such caravans have taken place regularly, if on a smaller scale, over the years, but U.S. President Donald Trump has seized on the phenomenon this year and made it a rallying call for his Republican base ahead of the Nov. 6 midterm elections.

Trump has blamed Democrats for what he says are weak immigration laws, and he claimed that MS-13 gang members and unknown “Middle Easterners” were hiding among the migrants. He later acknowledged there was “no proof” of the claim Middle Easterners were in the crowd. But he tweeted Wednesday that the U.S. “will never accept people coming into our Country illegally!”

Associated Press journalists traveling with the caravan have met throngs of Hondurans, as well as Guatemalans, Salvadorans and Nicaraguans, but no one from the Mideast.

Another, smaller caravan earlier this year dwindled greatly as it passed through Mexico, with only about 200 making it to the California border. Those who do make it into the U.S. face a hard time being allowed to stay. U.S. authorities do not consider poverty, which many cite as a reason for migrating, in processing asylum applications.

Carmen Mejia from Copan, Honduras, carried 3-year-old Britany Sofia Alvarado in her arms, and clutched the hand of 7-year-old Miralia Alejandra Alvarado, also sweaty — and feverish.

Mejia said she was worn out. Still, she pledged to go on. “I’ve walked a long way. I don’t want to return. I want a better future for my children.”



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Will this be the answer? - 10-25-2018, 09:02 AM

https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/..._stopping_the/


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10-25-2018, 09:41 AM

I can hear the Dems screaming and bellering now -


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10-25-2018, 09:51 AM

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I can too....not violent enough for today's Dems.... Bring out the water cannons, tear gas, and rubber bullets!


If you tolerate this, then your children will be next.


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10-25-2018, 09:51 AM

Since they will be hopping on the railroad shortly to expedite their trip north, just take out a railroad bridge.

Problem solved.




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10-25-2018, 01:18 PM

How about a Caravan of the Deceased?

We're tired of having our voting rights suppressed by those goddamn republicans.



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Yea, like, OWWWWW, MY FEET HURT

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10-25-2018, 01:27 PM

I may be the only one that thinks this but here goes.

By the time the 'caravan' gets half way into Mexico most of the women will have ben raped.
Most of the Hondurans will be replaced by Mexicans and the Hondurans will be heading home.

Then if they get anywhere near the border the cartels will take control of the leftovers.

Does anyone really believe the cartels are going to let this opportunity go by unscathed?
They do control the border not Mexico or America for that matter.

I cannot imagine for one minute the cartels don't already have plans for just how they can pick this group clean of anything and everything they want.

This will be a disaster but at least some are getting paid along the way, they'll need it when the cartels take control.
  
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I may be the only one that thinks this but here goes.

By the time the 'caravan' gets half way into Mexico most of the women will have ben raped.
Most of the Hondurans will be replaced by Mexicans and the Hondurans will be heading home.

Then if they get anywhere near the border the cartels will take control of the leftovers.

Does anyone really believe the cartels are going to let this opportunity go by unscathed?
They do control the border not Mexico or America for that matter.

I cannot imagine for one minute the cartels don't already have plans for just how they can pick this group clean of anything and everything they want.

This will be a disaster but at least some are getting paid along the way, they'll need it when the cartels take control.
Didnt't they do this last year and a couple of times since? Were those caravans that
violent?
I understand that there is a plan to deploy about 800 or so troops to the border before
they arrive. Sorta makes you wonder what a confrontation might be like when the two
groups, soldiers and caravaners, come together. I know most of you probably really
don't care much, but I think it would be some really bad optics in the eyes of the rest
of the world if the Army were to gun down 5000 unarmed South Americans, it just
wouldn't look good.
Who's paying them?
  
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10-25-2018, 01:49 PM

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I may be the only one that thinks this but here goes.

By the time the 'caravan' gets half way into Mexico most of the women will have ben raped.
Most of the Hondurans will be replaced by Mexicans and the Hondurans will be heading home.

Then if they get anywhere near the border the cartels will take control of the leftovers.

Does anyone really believe the cartels are going to let this opportunity go by unscathed?
They do control the border not Mexico or America for that matter.

I cannot imagine for one minute the cartels don't already have plans for just how they can pick this group clean of anything and everything they want.

This will be a disaster but at least some are getting paid along the way, they'll need it when the cartels take control.
Nobody cares about the women and children being raped or abused.
Most especially the left wing media or democrats.
They dont even care about the various diseases they will introduce into the USA.

What is important is that there is a large contingent of unskilled, uneducated people people from 3rd world ****holes that are not Caucasian marching towards the USA.

All the brutality perpetrated on those people is considered acceptable collateral damage.

If any parent from the USA were to put their children through conditions like these they would charged with child abuse and be found to be unfit parents.


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Didnt't they do this last year and a couple of times since? Were those caravans that
violent?
I understand that there is a plan to deploy about 800 or so troops to the border before
they arrive. Sorta makes you wonder what a confrontation might be like when the two
groups, soldiers and caravaners, come together. I know most of you probably really
don't care much, but I think it would be some really bad optics in the eyes of the rest
of the world if the Army were to gun down 5000 unarmed South Americans, it just
wouldn't look good.
Who's paying them?
A line of bayonets and lots of razor ribbon.
No need to gun them down.


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A line of bayonets and lots of razor ribbon.
No need to gun them down.
I don't think they're just gonna stop, they will have walked 1000 or so miles.
But I thought Hillary was gonna win, what do I know?
  
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Didnt't they do this last year and a couple of times since? Were those caravans that
violent?
I understand that there is a plan to deploy about 800 or so troops to the border before
they arrive. Sorta makes you wonder what a confrontation might be like when the two
groups, soldiers and caravaners, come together. I know most of you probably really
don't care much, but I think it would be some really bad optics in the eyes of the rest
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wouldn't look good.
Who's paying them?
Are you OK with this caravan packaging and crashing a country -



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Are you OK with this caravan packaging and crashing a country -



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Only if they bring their own beer.
I wouldn't say I'm OK with it, but I always ask myself what effect will this have on me?
I don't think any of them will be sleeping in my front yard. I would think they'll probably
head West if they get across the border, I doubt that many, if any would come to Denver.
So, I wouldn't say I'm OK with it, I mean I think they should seek out a legal remedy for
entry before they get here, but I guess they can try to buy a ticket at the door.
My concern really isn't the immigrants. I feel badly for them, but I feel worse for you guys.
This doesn't bother me like it bothers you all, it's just another fly in the ointment that
we really don't need. There's enough here already that divides this country.
  
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